unusual white deer
Posted by Shetan, kgpenny@hctc.com, on Sun, May 2 2004, 9:34pm
Two Hoonah hunters couldn't believe their eyes earlier this week when a white rock in the road turned out to be a Sitka black-tailed deer.

Aaron Bitz, 16, shot and killed the rare white deer Monday in a brushy muskeg off a road in the Game Creek Valley about 15 miles out of Hoonah.

The 140-pound, 3- or 4-year-old male was almost entirely white, he said. But it had black eyes, the usual black patch on the back of the tail, and dark antlers and hooves, said Aaron's father, Brian Bitz.Sitka deer usually have summer coats of reddish brown, replaced by dark brownish gray in the winter.

"It's pure white. We've never seven seen anything even close to looking like it," said Bitz, who has been hunting since he was 8.

State deer research biologist Matt Kirchhoff said the white coat is a form of albinism. It's most often seen among deer on northern Admiralty Island, he said. Hoonah is on nearby Chichagof Island.

The rare deer attracted public attention as soon as Aaron Bitz and his hunting partner that day, Bryce Tyler, brought the carcasses back to the logging camp where they live.

"It's truly amazing," said Aaron's mother, Judy Bitz. "Nobody has ever seen anything like that here. Our house was nonstop telephone calls and people coming over. They had to see it to believe it."

Aaron Bitz and Tyler first saw the deer in a group of three animals from several hundred yards away on a straight stretch of the Game Creek Road, but didn't recognize it.

"I looked up the road and then I saw this white kind of blurp in the road," Tyler said.

"We couldn't figure out what it was for sure because it was white. We thought it was a rock," Bitz said.

But after the "rock" ambled off the road, the men followed. Bitz, standing about 200 yards away without using a rest, first shot the deer in the front of the chest, wounding it, he said. He used a Remington .243-caliber rifle with a scope. The hunters approached the deer and Bitz killed it with a second shot. Tyler also killed a deer from the group.

"People around here that fly a lot say they've seen them (when) flying over the alpine," Brian Bitz said. "But even that's once in a lifetime."

The Bitzes sent the hide to Bob Scherf, a taxidermist in Juneau, hoping he can mount it for public display somewhere. But no arrangement has been made yet, said Scherf, who has a year's backlog of work.

"I just told (Bitz) it would be a shame not to do something with it," said Scherf. "Everybody should get to see this thing because it's really unusual." hey I found this while I was looking at deer pictures. I hope you like it.

Comment by: Bigfoot_Brandon on Jul 29, 2008
you are keeping the fur right

Comment by: Shahara BlackBeard on Jul 21, 2008
That is men for ya, see something odd or rare and say HUMMM lets kill it

Comment by: Purple on Jun 12, 2008
These people talking about how bad it is to kill an albino deer disgust me. I probably would have let it live, but you people don't realize how common these things are. They're not rare. They're not a seperate species. They're uncommon yes, but it's not Satanist to kill the things. For the people who think killing deer overall is wrong are just...just...I don't know what they are. We THIN the population. We keep it from getting out of control. It's the balance of nature - we are a part of it when it comes to hunting deer.

And Cryptid Catcher, I guess the Indians were cheating huh. They used bows, rocks, and boomerangs to kill. I guess certain monekys like chimpanzees cheat too. They sometimes use rocks. I guess cavemen were also cheaters, since the only way they could catch anything was by using means OTHER than their hands. Humans aren't physically strong enough to succeed in the wild. We had to use our minds to survive. That's why we're here today. That's how nature made us.

The only thing considered bad in my book while hunting is killing it and leaving it there, or not getting a clean shotI.E. shooting it in the leg or thigh and not killing it with the first shot.

Comment by: WOODSMAN on Jun 12, 2008
Speaking of Guns, I got mine at 6, country can do this, city can't.

Comment by: flamincheese on May 29, 2008
who ever gives there son a gun at the age of 8 must be on the mushrooms

Comment by: Fake or Real on May 06, 2008
im not even gonna say anything because that just sick and thats what i say poor thing

Comment by: tsmit18 on Apr 22, 2008
embarassing, lil fella still has milk on his mouth, thats not even a 13in. spread

Comment by: ilovecryptozoology on Mar 07, 2008
its rare, so your gonna shoot it? where is the sense in that? 0

Comment by: Miss Virginia on Feb 03, 2008
I wonder if it taste like normal venison mmmmmmmmmmmmm

Comment by: mothman66 on Dec 21, 2007
just because it's an albino doesn't mean it's a cryptid.

Comment by: rocker_chick on Oct 23, 2007
i dont like to hunt, I dont eat deer or anything like that. I hate to kill living things.

Comment by: CriptidGurlhunter on Aug 15, 2007
I RAISED A BABY!

Comment by: CriptidGurlhunter on Aug 15, 2007
ALBINO SITKA BLACK TAILED DEER SOMETIMES ITS NORMAL 2 FIND THEM MY GRAMPA SHOOTS EM ALL THE TIME

Comment by: Crypticlover on May 05, 2007
HOW COULD THEY DO THAT??? THATS EVIL! EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. VERY EVIL.

Comment by: Greg Solstice on Mar 09, 2007
bh_lovr666, you did read the rest of hte comments, correct?

Comment by: bh_lovr666 on Mar 06, 2007
i agree with Mystery. why would you kill such a rare deer?

Comment by: deepseanut on Mar 01, 2007
It really gets me when people say hunters are mindless killers, for a start hunting is only done in manageable resurves and compared to the food and fur trade hunters only kill a small number of animals.

Comment by: Greg Solstice on Feb 23, 2007
And ,aye, let it be known that there was silence when SlayterX posted his comment. Since I hunt, I have to put my two cents in.
There is a reason it is called "hunting" and not "killing" Unless the person hunting is doing something illegal, such as baiting, the chances of a succesful harvest are low. NOTE I use the term "harvest" because that was what I was taught in hunter safety course
And like SlayterX said, this is a cryptozoology site, the only thing that should be disputed is facts and figures, not who opposes hunting and those who don't oppose hunting.

Comment by: nicky the deer on Jan 02, 2007
Ever heard of albino.And it's not that very rare.They are assumed to be rare because of their pale color they are noticable to predators and many are killed at young age.It doesn't take a rocket scientist!

Comment by: Ligeia on Dec 10, 2006
I had a teacher tell me once that white deer are not too uncommon. And are very often shot, because there are too many gun toting jack asses out there that think "oh wow, something rare and beautiful, let's kill it!" Yeah, she didn't say that last part...But I saw an article about one of these poor white unfortunates about four or five years ago in a hunting magazine. Tragic. Althought chances are nature would have finished of a sore thumb like that sooner rather than later anyway. Liiiittle bit conspicuous

Comment by: nessie_in_the_loch on Nov 30, 2006
stupid librals

Comment by: nessie_in_the_loch on Nov 30, 2006
ps hunters are doing society a favor ever scene what a deer can do to a car that would happen a hell of a lot more often if there were no hunters and also if there were no hunters deer would become over populated hense deer-car collisions and many deer would die from starvation not all hunters are drunken red necks

Comment by: cryptidfan on Nov 30, 2006
Slayter...get me the link on that, will ya please? My belief of this thing...well, it's on the borderline between regularalbino and a cryptid.

Comment by: SlayterX on Nov 07, 2006
Its not really a crypid, Its only a recessive gene. there is a herd of 200 white deer in New York at the Seneca Army Depot.It's becoming more and more common. See my post on Apr 21 2006

Comment by: cryptidfan on Nov 06, 2006
Okay...maybe I feel a little guilty about what I said, but not that much. To change that "terribly emotional" subject, I'm still trying to figure out if this is an albino deer or not. It may not be, but then again it is. I can't see the red eyes, but what do I know? It could be spray paint, and then again, maybe not. If someone can help me understand what this cryptid really is, that would be excellent. In the meantime, I'll do some research and look up on that.

Comment by: SlayterX on Nov 02, 2006
there is thousands of predators on the planet that kill thousands of prey a day human hunters being among the least. Hunters are aloud in most areas 1-2 deer a YEAR, witch is eaten. But still people act as though Hunters today are like the REAL Idiots in the past that would kill animal just for fun, slaughtering hundreds of buffalo a day for nothing but skins or harpooning whales to extinction. This is not the case today there is many laws in place to prevent such things from happening. In fact i have been stopped at several road blocks in popular hunting areas were the proper Authorities were checking that people were following such laws.
I for one are tired of people making emotional opinionated outbursts HUNTERS ARE IDIOTS or I HATE HUNTERS this is a crypid site arent we suppose to make logical discussion based on facts and evidence? Not point fingers and call names, Even more so attack a specific group of people based on their way of life. Im starting to take a little offense to it I use to like this site but people are starting to get a little less scientific and more agenda based.

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Comment by: cryptidfan on Nov 01, 2006
I can't believe it. Ever since I went to a 'Dangerous Animals' exhibit in Houston, I have always remembered one thing When you look into the mirror, who do you see? Your reflection, of course, but something even more important and I hope this idiot hunter will get this through his head You see the most dangerous animal of them all a human.

Comment by: SlayterX on Oct 31, 2006
Cryptid Catcher

I couldn't disagree more with you due to the fact that the human species is designed and bred to use mechanical tools. Even our earliest ancestors used sticks and clubs to help in every day life. The human hand is an example of our being completely designed to craft and manage tools. Our hand is unlike any other, able to perform the most intricate tasks. The human brain is also a good example of this. It is built in such a way that we can comprehend complex processes, such as how tying a stick to a rock creates a hammer. We are able to put ideas, materials, even numbers together and solve and overcome the hardships of survival.
Even with the genius of the human brain and the wonder of the opposable thumb, we lack miserably in every other category of survival. For example, our hands and feet lack the necessary claws to till the soil for planting, our skin lacks the proper protection from the elements and harsh weather, our legs dont have the speed to chase andor escape from other animals, our jaws and teeth have little power compared to most other species, we even lack the brute size and strength to defend ourselves from the weakest of predators even deer have very deadly hooves and antlers for defense. The most devastating handicap of all if our weak sense of instinct the very drive that tells us how to survive. If you were to put a group of people out it the middle of the forest without the use of man-made tools no clothes, radios and PBJ sandwiches - wouldnt want to cheat - they would die within a couple of days merely from exposure alone.
Most animals have their tools from birth. Felines have everything they need to be the best killer on the planet. They are entirely designed to chase, kill, digest meat, use their retractable claws for fast, silent travel and to keep their claws safe and sharp until they are needed, use movement-sensitive eyes, which are necessary for locating and chasing prey, and even use the blood grooves on their teeth to allow blood to flow while latched on for the kill - a design that is put into most hunting and combat knives today. A mountain lion is far superior in hunting than I could ever wish to be. Even with my gun I'm lucky some years to see a deer, let alone harvest one. Mountain lions, on the other hand, will kill around 48 deer, elk, or moose a year - that is near one a week.
Migratory birds have a built-in navigation device in their body. The biological tools of animals range from deadly poisons to chemical defense, thick skin, warm fur, radar batswhales, and extreme sensory abilities. You see, humans biological tools are their abilities to be innovative and to create and manage tools. To say that using spears, bows, or guns for hunting is to cheat, then you would also be saying that wearing clothes for warmth, riding bikes, horses, or driving cars to travel, using machinery to plant and harvest crops for food, or to even use medical assistance to cure and prevent disease would also be cheating.
I dont see using a man-made tool for hunting as cheating - we are simply using the the only tool available to humans - our unique ability to reason and be innovative. In fact, we wouldnt even be discussing this if it weren't for the innovation of our ancestors who used clubs and spears for hunting and wore animal skin to stay warm.

Comment by: cryptidfan on Oct 31, 2006
I agree with ZERO_NIGHTMARE.

Comment by: Dragonr00 on Oct 26, 2006
To bad they killed it...

Comment by: erinHates on Sep 15, 2006
2 hunters in the woods "Hey, look over there! Is that a albino deer?!"
"Hey, yeah it is. What an unbelievable thing! An albino creature in the wild that has managed to escape a barrage of predators attempts to kill and eat him. How rare! How wonderful we are blessed with this oppurtunity to see its majesty in the wild!"
"And imagine what he will look like when hes dead! Mounted over our mantle! Never to run free again! Lets rip this miracle of nature out of its enviorment and turn it into a story we tell our uneducated buddies over Schlitz beer and pork grinds!"

Comment by: gaaraspetraven on Sep 08, 2006
Who would do something like that????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor deer.

Comment by: ZERO_NIGHTMARE on Aug 27, 2006
i hate hunters... idiots...

Comment by: fullmoonlover on Aug 03, 2006
how beautiful, poor thing, why would anyone kill something as beautiful as that

Comment by: alaskan-cryptid-lover on Jul 02, 2006
COOL

Comment by: mekag on Jun 30, 2006
poor thing

Comment by: T-Crypto on Jun 28, 2006
you find something that rare and you shoot it...YOU SHOT IT!!! my grandpa Ray Smith is the biggest redneck in kentucky and even he wouldn't have shot...knock it out and sell it to a zoo probably, but not shoot it.

Comment by: Cryptid Catcher on Jun 22, 2006
Oh, racist now are we?
As I say this, keep in mind that I am NOT against people who eat their catch.
Slayter, you're right. We are part of nature and we do have the right to hunt and eat like the omnivores we are. But technically, we're cheating. Wolves and lions use only what they got to catch their food. If a hunters went out, with no rifles or anything but their bare hands, and hunted that way, then I would have no problems. But we cheat. You can say ''but we invented this stuff so it's coming from us and that's using our own resources...'' but that doesn't really change anything. And you say that it's good they killed a white deer since it wouldn't survive very long in the wild anyway but if we were able to ask them, most deer would probably say that they'd rather die naturally, then death by a bullet. Those people, if they eat the deer they catch, good. But I think it might be nice if they only hunted brown deer. Yes albino's are not overly rare, but it's a special thing to have in the woods. God, humans are so greedy and sensless.

Comment by: Thylacine_Fan on Jun 20, 2006
Thats it. Kill it cause its white!

Comment by: boneguru on Jun 11, 2006
its a dangerous trait to continue and we are likened to it by the cute factor, they did the best thing by harvesting it, hopefully they ate the meat, but the gene needs to not be coveted as it will weaken the species, R

Comment by: Gerry Bacon on May 15, 2006
Green Briar Monster, this is a sitka deer killed in Alaska. Alaska has a relatively early season and it is not unusual for the deer to still have velvet when harvested. This also happens in CA which also has an early deer season. This deer has not been poached.

Comment by: Green brier monster on May 14, 2006
there is nothing wrong with harvesting animals as long as you eat what you kill, but if you will notice there is still velvet on thee antlers which only means one thing they poched it and that is some thing that is what depids the very face of sportsmen.

Comment by: bigger than life on May 05, 2006
lol

Comment by: rednecks wyll sirvyv on May 03, 2006
easyally done with a can of white spray paint. killing it was stupid you could of made money off of it if it was still alive.

Comment by: ill-tell-what-i-think on Apr 24, 2006
WHY DID HE KILL IT!?!? its so pretty. and white deer do exitst, iv seen herds of them, NO KIDDING! why would anyone kill it? why do people kill deer in the first place? o well. poor deer.
ITWIT

Comment by: SlayterX on Apr 21, 2006
The reason they are so rare is because they are picked off by predators at young ages. Why you may ask? It is due to the fact that a white deer becomes an easier target for predators to spot. From the picture, the deer looks a little on the scrawny side for a 3-4 year old deer. This is probably because hes always on the run and doesnt have a lot of time to eat or rest. According to the Northern Whitetail Scents website, they are also more prone to getting sunburned.

This condition is not as rare as some might think. I have seen three different white deer alive, one dead, and also a dead white elk. Having white pigmentation is a recessive gene carried by some deer. In fact, there is currently a 200 member herd that exists in New York at the Seneca Army Depot. When white deer began populating the area, they began to protect the white deer and harvest the brown deer.

Taking this recessive gene out of the gene pool is not a bad idea since its a handicap for wild deer. I have hunted for about 10 years now, and I believe in management hunting. This means not always harvesting the biggest or most attractive animal, but the ones that would most likely die of winter predators or sickness. Out of my ten years of hunting, I have passed up as many as five deer in one day just because they were all young or just coming into their prime. There are even establishments that allow people to hunt on their land just to manage their deer population through selective harvesting, meaning youre only allowed to take certain deer according to age and health.

I worked at a veterinary clinic for over two years. I love nature and have had many pets that I have loved and even cried for. I believe we should live in balance with nature, but then arent we part of nature? Dont we have the same rights as a lion or a pack of wolves to hunt and eat? My point is that you need to lay off of the kid. He didnt kill the last of a species or eradicate a rare type of cancer curing plant or insect. He hunted a deer that happened to have a fairly common recessive gene, a gene which makes the species more venerable to predators and sunlight. This wasnt the first white deer ever, and is certainly is not the last.

Comment by: Ulfkilljoy on Apr 20, 2006
yeah, a tragic loss for the SAKE of a trophy.

Comment by: paleojosh on Apr 16, 2006
albino

Comment by: Toxic_Wolf on Apr 09, 2006
Of course, hunters would have taken aim and killed such a creature. A white deer is a good omen, I am horrified as a Native American that they would have shot such a beauty.

Comment by: Grundy123 on Apr 02, 2006
all it is is an albino Sitka black-tail

Comment by: ElRobot on Apr 01, 2006
ok python is cruel and thats so wrong
i mean crypto catcher is right if you hunt it
you better eat it thats what the native
americans did they used every bit of
every thing they hunted.thats bullcrap

Comment by: dragon_draconis on Mar 29, 2006
HAHA!
down goes the guy that was holding the deer up!i would be a great sharpshooter...now to put my rifle back..

im kidding.

Comment by: nealjo on Mar 28, 2006
the reason why we hunger for cryptids is because of the way people react to rare animals.... they KILL it!!!

Comment by: python on Mar 27, 2006
more deer must die

Comment by: feared windigo on Mar 24, 2006
dont know why i typed that

Comment by: feared windigo on Mar 24, 2006
paintball

Comment by: CryptoBrat on Mar 24, 2006
MOUNTMAN JUST BECAUSE IM 13 DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING I THINK ITS MESSED UP THO THAT YOU CAN KILL DEER FOR NOTHING THERE IS NO REASON TO KILL A POOR DEER AND YOU KILLING DEER FOR FUN WILL COST YOUR GRANDKIDS AND GREATGRANDKIDS FROM SEEING A DEER IN THERE BACK YARD AND IN FELIDS!!!AND IM NOT OVERWEIGHT!!!!

Comment by: Pegasus_Seiya on Mar 24, 2006
Hmmmmm...so....

Comment by: eviltwin2 on Mar 20, 2006
Thanks for finding my sister!!lol

Comment by: perry on Mar 19, 2006
It looks like my princepal

Comment by: ghost_hunters on Mar 19, 2006
it's rare. seeing it from an airplane is a once -in-a-lifetime experience. and u shot it... this kinda give new light to the old theorie, "maby the surest sign that there is intelligent life elswhere in the univeres is that it hasn't tried to contact us yet..."

Comment by: Cryptid Catcher on Mar 18, 2006
Actually I'm not against hunting as long as you eat what you catch. I don't like the hunters who just kill for fun. And I'm not overweight!

Comment by: python on Mar 15, 2006
must kill deer

Comment by: cryptid_lover on Mar 15, 2006
my science techer found an albino fawn on the internet but it's a good chance it won't get shot because it lives with a really nice familly!

Comment by: python on Mar 14, 2006
I said it once and I'll say it again STUPID DEER !!!!! that dumb thing got it self shot

Comment by: Rev. Rick G. on Mar 13, 2006
It is rare to have an all white non- albino deer. And the fact that they shot it could actualy be illeagle, but It's none of our business what they do.

Comment by: KINGS_FOIL on Mar 13, 2006
A couple of clowns with high powered rifles killing a rare defenseless white deer, what a manly thing to do. This is why we might never get to see the cyptids in this world, no animals in its right mind would want to have anything yo do with us.

Comment by: MrsTackett on Mar 11, 2006
Facinating find! I'll bet that mount is a good conversation peice!

Comment by: Adametz92 on Mar 11, 2006
ALBINO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RUN or shoot it

Comment by: mountman on Mar 10, 2006
crypto brat and crypto catcher, you children make me laugh, if you think I'm disgusting because I hunt, and i do enjoy eating deer meat its much better for you than your farm raised beef but of course that is why most of you children of today are so over weight, but if you think thats bad you should see what i do for a living, look at my name and take a guess.

Comment by: dragongurl on Mar 07, 2006
I CANT BELIEVE IT WAS KILLED!!!!

Comment by: Cryptophsyco on Mar 04, 2006
iys sssooooo beautiful AND R A R E and u go and kill it!!how could u!!

Comment by: dragon_draconis on Feb 28, 2006
its ALBINO.HEAPS OF EM'Google albino deer

Comment by: Sinnikal on Feb 24, 2006
We have a white deer living in our area. Already been said... You kill it we kill you!

Comment by: AmoStar on Feb 20, 2006
Why the hell is that kid so happy! He's holding a dead animal . . . an adorable dead animal! People make me sick! Amo*

Comment by: mountman on Feb 18, 2006
although i personally wouldnt shoot a white deer, and can understand some of your feelings i believe hunting is a viable recreation and enjoy hunting myself, if you hate me for that I can live with that. just my 2 cents

Comment by: oinkman on Feb 16, 2006
my god! if those things are so rare why did they kill it! they are idiots! they could of just let it be, or captured it and put it in the zoo, BUT KILLING IT!!! they said,"were going to put it on display so everybody can see it,". THEY CAN SEA IT IN A ZOO, OR ON THERE OWN. ITS NOT LIKE SOMETHING BIG, WIGHT, AND ISNT GONNA STAND OUT IN A FOREST!!!

Comment by: Chesapeake_watcher on Feb 11, 2006
What a disgrace!

Comment by: Mystery on Feb 08, 2006
Hmm "shot and killed the rare white deer"... I hate these guys already. Hope the young Aaron feels like a man now. Only a kid would do something showing so little insight.

Comment by: 12yearoldcryptozoologist on Jan 30, 2006
that is like holy for indians and its supposed to be good luck...alive

Comment by: CryptoBrat on Jan 28, 2006
why would you kill some thing like that?? jeez that is really mess up.