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Subject: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Loreweaver posted Fri, Sep 18 2009, 12:12am 
some new and not so new theories on two disappearances in the bermuda triangle may have been easily explained away some of the myth.


BBC NEWS | UK | Bermuda Triangle plane mystery 'solved'
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Guodzilla posted Sat, Sep 19 2009, 4:26pm 
Interestingly, there has been a great deal of scientific research on the Bermuda Triangle. All in all, that area of the ocean has

(wait for it)

ABSOLUTELY NO MORE OR LESS FREQUENCY OF DISAPPEARANCES THAN ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE OCEANS OF THE EARTH.

In other words, the Bermuda Triangle is no different, navigationally speaking, than the rest of the world's oceans, save for one crucial point:

That area of the sea is very highly populated. There are hundreds of islands, from Bermuda and the Florida Keys to the Bahamas, and on into the waters around Cuba and Haiti. Almost all of these islands have settlers or even towns and cities, so if a ship or plane disappears, word spreads faster than a San Francisco brushfire. Facts get distorted, expanded or even lost, and before you know it there's another "Hoodoo Disappearance" for the latest Charles Berlitz wannabe to write about.

Believe it or not, with the advent of satellite navigation, disappearances of large ships have almost completely disappeared, as well as those of large aircraft. The only vanishings in the present day are pleasure craft, most often crewed by neophyte, inexperienced people who get into a jam and panic, often with disastrous consequences.
One might remember the "Cyclops" which disappeared in the year 1918. Actually, the wreck of the "Cyclops" may have been found in 1972 by a Navy diver, who found it by accident somewhere off the coast of North Carolina while training on the sunken hulk of another vessel. There really is no mystery to the ship's disappearance. After the "Cyclops" left Bermuda, it headed due north along America's east coast, and foundered and sank with all hands during a hurricane.
Flight 19? It was a squadron of rookies headed by a flight leader who had JUST TRANSFERRED TO PALM KEY THE DAY BEFORE THE FLIGHT. In other words, he was completely unfamiliar with the area. The flight took off without incident, but after several hours of flying the leader's gyros got quirky and he panicked, rather than listening to the radio instructions. In the end he got tunnel vision and flew off into the Atlantic, followed by the rest of the squadron, only to ditch somewhere, perhaps hundreds of miles off course with little to no hope of rescue.
The rescue plane sent after them was a PBY Martin Mariner, which was notorious for having fuel-line trouble. In fact, that very ship was seen to blow up in mid-air about fifteen minutes after takeoff.
I could go on, but really I think I made my point:
Bermuda Triangle is nothing more than a myth.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Irishtheruler posted Sat, Sep 19 2009, 8:26pm 
Guodzilla,

Well written! If you do enough searching online, a popular myth is the lost city of Atlantis is in the Bermuda Triangle, and an overabundance of magic crystals tweak out the com/nav in planes and boats alike. But scientifically, I agree, there's nothing wrong with the triangle. I flew from Jax to Puerto Rico round trip without a hitch, with the exception of losing my luggage key.

-Irish
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: kearnivorous posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 4:00am 
It was obviously the aliens who took your key. In 50 years time when they finally come and visit us openly, they will release Amelia Earhart, bigfoot, nessie, the survivors of the Titanic, and your luggage key. The only reason you are saying these things is to try to spread disinformation. Bloody NSA agents.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Guodzilla posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 9:40am 
Oh, by the way: I did my laundry a coupl of days ago, and one of my socks had inexplicably vanished without a trace. Do you think it could have been . . . ?
( Whips round and stares dramatically into the camera lens while ominous organ music plays)

THE MAYTAG WHIRLPOOL!?
(Terrifying organ crescendo)
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Irishtheruler posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 8:00pm 
Lol. I got that crystal theory from this website, which I found years ago when I had a cubicle job. I spent quite a few lunches reading her thoughts on things, and had many good laughs.

-Irish
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Southlander posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 5:43am 
Actually, the way I have heard the Bermuda Triangle explained is this:

Chuck Norris has a secret home in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle, Chuck Norris does not tolerate tresspassers.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: GeneralVeers posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 9:28am 
your point is based on incomplete information...

Bermuda Triangle Mystery - Your online source -

have fun reading, i certainly did when i had his book a while back...

a B-52 like this one disappeared from a formation of six back in 1961, it had barely been out of sight of another B-52 when it vanished, and despite a huge search effort, no trace was found...
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 4:41am 
It is all because of the methane hydrate farts...
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Guodzilla posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 9:34am 
Interesting! I was going to mention the possibility of some of the larger ships (Like the Nereus, the Proteus and others) being swallowed up by methane hydrate burps. It's been proven that vast reserves of methane hydrate are collected just offshore of the US, especially in the Gulf of Mexico area and places around Florida. A large chunk of methane hydrate could conceivably sublimate and ruin the bouyancy capabilities of water. A large ship just happening through the area would suddenly goe KA-BLOOSH, with no warning, and no trace ever found. Also, the methane released into the atmosphere could play hell with the oxygen-dependent internal-combustion engines of most aircraft.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 11:15am 
With the planes, it is worse, because the lift depends on the square of the air density, and methane is A LOT ligther than air...they will drop suddenly out of the air. That, suppossing they don't ignite the mix methane-air. I suspect the Air France crash of late could be explained because of just that.

Did a methane burp down twa800?
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Guodzilla posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 6:37pm 
I think there was a "Mythbusters" special on that very thing, with the boys trying to sink a boat with bubbles. They tried a perforated grid which pumped a lot of bubbles into the water. The boat settled lower and lower into the water, but didn't sink. Next, they tried a single sudden release with a huge bubble of air. Success! The blast came up right underneath the boat, which literally "fell" into the hole in the water, was swamped, and sank. The key to a methane burp sinking a ship is not the quantity of gas released, but the suddenness. In theory, a large enough methane blast from the ocean floor could crack a ship's keel just as effectively as a depth charge.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Mon, Sep 21 2009, 1:13am 
That's a nice experiment. As with explosives, it is not so much the quantity of eergy as the release speed. Dynamite releases less energy per pound than gasoline...only X times faster.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: kittenz posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 10:08am 
You can draw an imaginary triangle of similar size & shape over the ocean anywhere on the globe, and the number of "mysterious disappearances" is about the same no matter where the triangle is.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: GeneralVeers posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 10:16am 
prove it.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: MJLehde posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 12:43pm 
Easy enough.
Several different writers have tried to establish a "Great Lakes Triangle" and site several different ships and planes that have been lost in their mystery zone on the Great Lakes. The same has been done in the Pacific with what some other writers call "The Devils Sea". That's not to say that there is really anything mysterious about the areas or that the vanished ships and planes can't be explained or accounted for but the object is to sell the books after all. Telling of a made up mystery sells much better then explaining that there really isn't one to begin with. Most people, mores the pity, prefer to be scared and spooked and will pick parlor tricks and fabrication over science and eduction whenever given the choice.
One of the listed victims of the Great Lakes Triangle was the Edmund Fitzgerald that went down Nov 10 1975. It becomes more mysterious if you leave out, as several books do, the terrific storm that was raging that night on Lake Superior. If you take any heavily traveled area of the world covered with water and look back over it's history you can find mysteries. Ships and planes have been lost without survivors or bodies in the English Channel and the Black Sea and yet they aren't tagged as some sort of Limo of the Lost.
If you're looking or ghost stories to send a chill up your spine then well and fine but the Bermuda Triangle legend isn't serious history nor is it written by serious historians.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: tonyc posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 3:34pm 
The story of the 'Erebus' and the 'Terror' which were lost searching for the North-West Passage always chills me. Because it's true. I mean, to set out on a route regarded by most as certain death and then spend the best part of three years sat locked in pack-ice coming to the conclusion they were right is downright nasty. Plus, in desperation those surviving then tried to walk 600 miles over the ice to the nearest settlement, Fort Resolution. Years later all that was ever found was three graves and a pyramid of empty tin cans.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: MJLehde posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 5:37pm 
The three graves were found on Beechy Island nut the last of the men died some considerable diatance away at a place called Starvation Bay where their bones were found strewn across the ground. The lead levels in both the bones and the bodies in the graves suggest that they were suffering from lead poisoning, probably from those cans you mentioned, and their minds were probably affected to the point that it made making lucid judgements impossible. That is why they tried to walk out to the forst instead of heading east and trying to find a sealer or whaler for help. Excellent point though and it make you wonder why there isn't a Artic Triangle spoken of in hushed tones.
Subject: Re: I guess the bermuda triangle is considered a myth or legend
From: Guodzilla posted Sun, Sep 20 2009, 6:29pm 
That's exactly what I said above in my first post. Statistically, the Bermuda Triangle is no different than any other body of water with regard to disappearances, save for the fact that that area is highly populated.
One may also mention the Dragon Sea of the South Pacific, but again, the numbers are similar. However, there are two factors in the Dragon Sea: One, that it is set squarely on the "Ring of Fire," which circumscribes the border of the Pacific Ocean with active (some EXTREMELY active) volcanoes, and the South Pacific was the site of some HELLATIOUS battles in WW2. I'd be extremely surprised if some of the disappearances of ships in the Dragon Sea might not be attributed to the accidental (and disastrous) encountering of some long-forgotten Japanese or Allied sea-mines.


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