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Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Panthera posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 9:40am  Probably no more likely then Smilodon populator surviving in South America. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: naturechris posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 10:08am  im sorry, but whats going on with the last half of the animal-- it looks like the ass end of a roast armadillo!! wheres its hind legs??? im guessing yarri has looked at this image more than i have!! Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: YarriWarrior posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 12:47pm  No More likely than smilodon in south america? I'm sorry-but that is a rather uneducated statement. There IS a unknown marsupial predator in Australia, it has been seen, photographed, five toed footprints of, large livestock kills from, has been called by Huevelmans as the most likely as being discovered out of ALL the cryptozoological animals, is included in at least 2 wildlife books, was known to the aboriginals before the white man ever set foot there, fits the description of thylacoleo(who just "died out" less than 6 thousand years in the fossil record)-there is much evidence to support this claim. With descriptions like unusual parrot beak-like teeth protruding from the mouth, cat like, ect, ect, the queensland tiger could only be a surviving marsupial lion. Is there anything close to this that implies a living smilodon in south america? If not thylacoleo-what do you think is responsible for the sightings, photos, tracks and kills in mainland Australia? Yarri Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: tygertrudi posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 4:00pm  Hi, Yarri, I'm a firm believer that Thylacoleo still haunts Australia but I admit to being sceptical about the Rilla photo. I'm having trouble with it because a) the head is very indistinct - infact, before I saw your enhancements I was almost of the opinion that the thing did not HAVE a head! Are you sure those 'ears' aren't background leaves? b) the creature's markings feel wrong - it has no counter-shading - the belly and throat are too dark. Wild predators are coloured lighter on the underside of the body to counteract shadows which would make them conspicuous to prey. c) I would expect more musculature in the upper arms to work that big thumb claw and wrestle with prey. Those limbs in the photo are too dog-like. Do you know of any more background to the story of this photo? Tygertrudi Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: tygertrudi posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 4:28pm  PS Duh! I'm being thick and not reading what you have already posted! Apologies! Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: tygertrudi posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 4:46pm  Hmm.. have read through now but still not convinced the Rilla photo is a real creature. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: YarriWarrior posted Sun, Nov 13 2005, 5:47pm  Hiya Trudi! Great painting by the way! A Gary Opit(of the Queensland museum?)saw a unknown carnivore upclose and personal in 68' or 69', when it crossed in front of his car and acted without fear-in fact-in had an attitude. He was able to observe the animal up-close and personal. He informed me that the animal he saw was exactly the same kind of animal as in the RIlla photo. The only difference-his had fur that was almost black in the tips-but the stripes could be seen just as they are in the rilla photo.(maybe a seasonal coat change?) But he is certain as to what he had seen. He is also of the mind that it was thylacoleo. The front end of the animal is business end, to be sure. It has huge arms and a deep chest, with a thick neck. For hanging on with a strong grip while biting, able to wrestle prey to the ground-unlike the method of killing by a thylacine. I can see Rilla's critter dragging large prey up a tree, as has been found. IMHO! Yarri Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Panthera posted Mon, Nov 14 2005, 9:45am  Much the same evidence has been suggested for a Smilodon species surviving in parts of South America as Thylacoleo in Australia- a bunch of sightings and a supposed body that never turned up for scientific examination. http://www.newanimal.org/smilodon.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cryptozoo/actualit/1998/paraguay_eng.htma> http://www.cryptozoology.com/glossary/glossary_topic.php?id=37 Howcan you say that you can prove it exists withought a specimen for scientific study? A blurry photo and some sightings are great, but you really need a body. It's no different then bigfoot or any other cryptid. Smilodon happens to be my specialty, by the way. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Nov 15 2005, 2:12pm  Smilodon is another of my favourites. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: tygertrudi posted Tue, Nov 15 2005, 3:51pm  Hi Panthera, Have you got a copy of the book 'The Big Cats & their fossil relatives' by Alan Turner? isbn: 0231102291 Columbia University Press. It has the best reconstruction and skeletal drawings that I have ever seen. It also talks about the ecology of extinct cats, placing them in context with prey and other predators of their time. Worth getting, if you don't already have it. Tygertrudi Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Panthera posted Wed, Nov 16 2005, 9:11am  Neat, Chotacabras. Smilodon fatalis is my favorite animal. Yes, I have The Big Cats & their fossil relatives, I bought it a few years ago. It is one of my favorite books. Back to the subject of Smilodon populator, I have a really neat photograph of a saber I bought from Boneclones in my profile. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Thu, Nov 17 2005, 3:00pm  Hey Panth, what happened to your wiskers on the prof pic ? Neat ! Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Panthera posted Thu, Nov 17 2005, 9:49pm  Forgot to include them, I guess! Cool dog. Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: YarriWarrior posted Fri, Nov 18 2005, 1:12am  Panthera-You REALLY NEED to get the entire skull!!!!!!If you want, I might be able to steer you in some less expensive directions. The big cats book is simply the best ever released on the subject of fossil cats, and the illustrations are par excellence and unsurpassed! Subject: Re: Thylacoleo From: Panthera posted Fri, Nov 18 2005, 6:11pm  Yes, I'm sure that if I had a few extra hundred dollars I'd buy all sorts of those replicas, but the book does provide an excellent and rather less expensive alternative.

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