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Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 1:24pm  I find it totally reprehensible that everyday, law abiding, decent individuals who happen to be muslim have to live in fear of kneejerk reprisals by ignorant bigoted intolorance. What reprisals are you referring to? You can be ashamed of your country because of the non-existent reprisals, but I think I'll stay proud of my country for the non-existent reprisals. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 2:19pm  Your reprisals, KK. I know that you can't see them as such, but they are there. Reread your posts at the Politics Forum. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 2:53pm  It's not a "reprisal" to point out that Islamic extremists are dangerous lunatics. And pointing out that truth, is no slur on moderate Muslims. Is deriding white supremacists, an attack on white people? I think not. Is deriding NAZI's, an attack on Germans? I think not. Americans are tolerant people. There will be no attacks on mosques or anti-Muslim demonstrators marching in the streets of our cities, no burned buildings, no Muslims hanged in effigy, no nuthin'... It won't happen, and we should be proud of that fact. Instead, we see this miserable politically correct posturing where we pretend Muslims are running in fear in the streets and we bemoan our awful racist society for its hatred and intolerance. Mea culpa, mea culpa... It's entirely predictable, but I refuse to play along. I'm proud of our tolerance and common sense. I'm proud that none of these things are happening and I refuse to pretend they are happening just because it's politically correct. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Southlander posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 2:59pm  But keith those things do happen. Sometimes not widespread thank god, and often not really reported. But they do happen. Now the fact is they also happen to synagogues and even churches, but the point is that such things shouldn't happen. I happen to agree with you that radical islamists are extremely dangerous. But it is also the case that the radical islamists taken as a fraction of the whole of Islam are such a small statistic that the fact they happen to be Muslim almost isn't relevant to a certain extent. Take out the islam from the equations, these people are radical terrorists. Period. They might be christian, they might be muslim, they might be jewish or even buddhist or no religion at all. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 3:58pm  My apologies to RMM for posting this link again - the same thing happens in many places and it's not a reflection on the Spanish people as a whole. This link is just especially appropriate - no doubt we could find similar episodes in France, Italy, Germany, whatever. But not in the US... Look here: BBC News | EUROPE | Spain struggles with race riots A Spanish woman is killed by a Muslim and thousands take to the streets burning, looting, attacking Muslims, etc. Yet, this doesn't happen in the US! We should be proud of this but instead, we'll hear of some Muslim verbally insulted in a store someplace and CNN will run non-stop coverage castigating the nation as racist for weeks. Americans are good and tolerant people despite all the PC blather to the contrary. We're not rushing into Muslim neighborhoods burning and throwing rocks after such an incident. This is a good thing. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Southlander posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 4:17pm  Yes you are right and that is indeed a good thing. Thats because again taken as a percentage of the whole Americans like most other people are good people. Just like it is the radical extremeists that cause issues it is the radical extremeists that perpetuate the bad stuff. And that group is the group I am speaking out against. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 4:47pm  That group in the US is obviously (see link) much smaller than in other 1st world countries. We should be proud of that. I am... Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Vila posted Sun, Nov 8 2009, 6:15am  "It's not a "reprisal" to point out that Islamic extremists are dangerous lunatics" So are christian extremists, jewish extremists and so on. Religion has very little to do with lunacy, man. It's only an excuse. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: BillB posted Sun, Nov 8 2009, 11:42am  Religion has very little to do with lunacy, man. It's only an excuse. Very well said. Lunatics hide behind the banner of religion in order to try to give themselves some sort of legitimacy. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Southlander posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 2:54pm  I am referring to vandalized mosques, threatening phone calls made to muslim families, bullying at school a whole host of acts taken by the people of this country. I am talking about the muslim population as a whole having to be fearful that because a man who happened to be a muslim did something awful they are now possibly targets of various levels of violence and threats of violence. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 3:06pm  Uh yeah... You know, after 9/11 and thousands of American deaths we heard the same baloney - Muslims living in fear of their lives, blah, blah, blah... And yeah, there were a couple of isolated incidents, but mostly people just went on with their lives. There were no anti-Muslim demonstrations, no riots, not burned mosques - nothing. In Anchorage, a Muslim owned furniture store was reportedly vandalized and most of the goods destroyed. The community put together a fund and raised something like 50K to help him out. And get this, it later turned out the store owner had vandalized his own shop for the insurance money! I see the America where the community raises money to help out. You see the one where the shop is vandalized - even though it didn't happen. Subject: Re: Somewhat fed up with my fellow countrymen From: Stu posted Mon, Nov 9 2009, 2:22am  Attacks on Muslims and their facilities, after terrorist acts of 9/11. We had similar in the UK, & it's happened all over. The desperate few acts of bigots & the frightened disenfranchised. Ignoring it only makes it stronger.

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