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Subject: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: luna1580 posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 12:28am  wow, real actual scientists from the world respected Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution honestly think europa might team with fish-like living critters! Could Jupiter Moon Harbor Fish-Size Life? what a cool thing to think about :) Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: TheDirtyOne posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 8:38am  "I'd be shocked if no life existed on Europa," said Shank Really?!? I'd be shocked if there was! Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 3:59pm  Las time i went visiting there was plenty... Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: ConstantReader posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 4:34pm  Yeah, and they're pretty good, especially with tartar sauce! Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: StormChaser posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 8:35pm  An interesting possibility,but I think that these cutting edge scientists are being a little overeager and quick to draw conclusions.It would be awesome if it was true,though. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: riverrat posted Thu, Nov 19 2009, 9:47pm  You know how desperate scientists are to keep their tenor and funding, when they come up with this stuff. Only scientists are allowed to come up with far fetched ideas, anyone else is a fanatic, and not advanced in knowledge or reality. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 12:44am  I for one wouldn't be surprised to find life there. I would if there weren't; surprised and disappointed. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: LadyGreenEyes posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 4:09pm  That's the truth! Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Entity posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 5:43pm  Uhm. Care to explain in more detail? I can see there being life there. If everything is correct. Fish-like means "stream-like" after adapting the ocean conditions. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: luna1580 posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 7:48pm  feeling a bit hostile, aren't you? news flash -no one in the sciences can secure grants/funding, or achieve tenure in an academic setting, unless their actual research is sound and approved in the peer-review process of their published papers and studies. that is about as far from unsupported "far-fetched ideas" as one can get. next time a "fanatic" wants to lose that label, just have them produce a paper or study that backs up their "idea" with some factual observations or calculations made on a level that can withstand public scrutiny in the peer-review process........ Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: riverrat posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 9:17pm  It's not true that a scientist can continue his tenure in an "academic setting, unless their actual research is sound and approved in the peer-review process of their published papers and studies." The scientist only has to believe in evolution and propose any theory they want, no matter how novel. As long as a scientist believes in evolution, they can write, and be accepted in anything they write, on the subject of life. It's sad, when people think that science can explain everything when there are more questions then answers. The response to my statement is even more arrogant, "Evidence just hasn't been discovered yet" or "We will, with more data, be able to figure it out" or "Your just a fanatic and obviously illiterate." or "You use religion as a crutch because you need and must believe in a creator." Think what you want about me, but until science answers all of the questions, then I will never be a believer in academia, and it's arrogant stance. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: luna1580 posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 10:04pm  "Think what you want about me, but until science answers all of the questions, then I will never be a believer in academia, and it's arrogant stance." wow, just wow. i think you do not understand what science is. it is a process of observing the world, asking a question about what you observe going on, making a prediction about just what is happening and why, then developing a way to test your prediction. then, you look at the results of your test and either decide your original prediction was correct and look for more ways to test and thus confirm it, or you decide that your original prediction wasn't right, add this knowledge to your original observations, and try to make a different, more accurate prediction to test -repeat, repeat, repeat. so, since science is a process, there will never be a point where "it" stops asking questions and looking for the answers. a point where every possible question about the nature of reality will have been both completely asked and answered will never come. what you basically just said was "i will not trust academia until there is nothing left to learn about anything." you really think such a day will come? talk about an arrogant stance on human abilities!!! also, why would you want to identify as proudly anti-knowledge and learning? do you want people to be proud of choosing ignorance, of rejecting education? that makes no sense to me, unless you just want a dumb general public that lacks critical thinking skills, and you long to proudly be a part of it...... Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sat, Nov 21 2009, 6:35am  Dear friend riverrrat, I hereby inform you that you're full to the brim with organic fertilizer of the bovine variety. That's said in a friendly spirit. I am not an scientist. I do not need to be one to look around with both eyes open and scream "COMMON ORIGIN, COMMON ORIGIN!!". That you do not like evolution does not make it less right. And there's also plenty of evidence lying rund about life coming from space. What makes you think you're special?. You, and me, are just common occurrences on an Universe teeming with life, IMO. I do not care about the stablishment, or about what you call the Academy, or about you, fot that matter. IMO, in my own opinion, mine, made thru looking and searching, evolution IS, and life was seeded on this Planet, and most probably there's life on Europe, and on Mars, too. I daresay it will not be very different from the life we know. And that's the bizz, sweetheart. Speaking of arrogancy, guess who's arrogant here, IMO?. Not the Academy precisely... Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Entity posted Sat, Nov 21 2009, 8:39am  Can't you take this nonsense to the E vs. C debate? This thread is about life on other planets/moons not a religion debate! Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Karl posted Sat, Nov 21 2009, 7:46pm  Some of your points are marginally viable riverrat; science has its share of politics and bias, but it also has some very aggressive competition for funding. If a hypothesis is not strongly substantiated, the funding is sure to go to competing researchers (and there are many) who have sound evidence. Bottom line, funding does not happen on mere "say-so", not for evolution, not for anything in science. There are, of course, exceptions to this rule, but they are rare. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: [removed] posted Sat, Apr 24 2010, 1:54am  [removed] Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: BillB posted Fri, Nov 20 2009, 1:02am  wow, real actual scientists from the world respected Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution honestly think europa might team with fish-like living critters! A couple of generations of human colonists with human refuse being deposited into the waters of Europa and that situation should be quickly and permanently remedied. Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: luna1580 posted Sat, Nov 21 2009, 1:14am  btw, if you've never heard the song, it has nothing to do with aliens. actually it supposes the likelihood of "life on mars" being on par with that sad mousey-haired girl finding her dream man, people finding justice through police actions, and something about sailors, who may or may not be gay.....anyway, the point of the song only makes sense if you think extra-earth-life is unlikely.... YouTube- David Bowie - Life On Mars the point of this post was that it is very interesting that based on the actual current knowledge of europa's geology (science), some scientists familiar with such things think (opinion) that life -and life bigger than microbes- could very well dwell there. why that exciting idea elicited an attack on the veracity of the scientific method itself is a mystery to me. i thought that people who love looking for unknown earth critters (site members) would love the idea that current science both allows, and now supports, that real alien life -w/in our own solar system!- may indeed be likely to exist..... Subject: Re: "is there life on maaaaars?" -bowie; "or fish on jupiter's mooooon?" -natgeo From: Gerry Bacon posted Wed, Nov 25 2009, 8:08am  Well, I for one, enjoyed the article and find the possibility exciting. My only regret is that it doesn't appear the answer will be forthcoming in my life time.

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