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Subject: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: luna1580 posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 1:03am  so, this isn't about any single animal, just a sign of our rapidly changing total world. click the article hyperlinks for the technical reports. Mt. Kilimanjaro Ice Cap Continues Rapid Retreat, Study Says - NYTimes.com papa hemingway would weep, and so do i. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Southlander posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 5:40am  Artic ice melting, glaciers worldwide disappearing but there is no global warming some contend. I think it is already far too late to even wake up at this point. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Iprymate posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 9:25pm  Snow and ice are nice for Christmas but the winter months are punishing on all life, so consider any warming change an epic springtime, more plants and animals adapting and thriving in newly open lands that once only contained a few desperate versions of temperate species. Coasts ridden with condos will be fresh wetlands. With enough CO2 plants will become sentient and weed out the humans who complain, who can't use volcanoes politically. Hopefully the ocean breezes will shift so Antarctica's coat will melt and maybe the Sahara will bloom again. With enough climate change the planet could thrive. Let's thaw out the mountain tops then bring heat to the moons of Jupiter. Selling my snow shovel cheap, soon to be a collector's item. Hemingway loved the world so much he blew his head off to eliminate his carbon footprint. If warm beer is the price to pay for an end to human overpopulation, I will drink it. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: john80c posted Wed, Nov 4 2009, 5:30am  It would be great for the sahara to go back to savannah and plenty of rain-maybe then African drought would be a thing of the past Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: DrBaz posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 11:51pm  Not "some"... many scientists, myself included, simply laugh at some of the "evidence" bandied about. Climate changes, it's as simple as that. The snows will fade away, and they'll return, just as they have for millions of years all over the world. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Southlander posted Wed, Nov 4 2009, 7:22am  Well I am not a scientist and I am not sure about the theories and such. I suspect it is a natural shift. After all Greenland was named such for a reason and the vinyards once there are well documented after all. I do wonder if the rate is affected by people or not. I figure at the very outside chance I will only be around 50 more years at the very most and more likely not even that long. I am hoping it doesn't get too bad between now and then. I am more worried about clean dependable drinking water than anything else, well, that and the decline of the majority of the fish in the oceans. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: KodiakKeith posted Wed, Nov 4 2009, 9:01am  It's due to local deforestation for agriculture. Gore wrong on Kilimanjaro snow: Its the trees and freezer burn Watts Up With That Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: luna1580 posted Wed, Nov 4 2009, 4:47pm  and rampant deforestation, which often leads to eventual desertification of the land, is somehow not a bad thing? so whether the mountain's snow/ice cap is vanishing because of humans cutting down all the forests, or humans putting greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere and altering the climate, the change is still directly human-induced...... Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: KodiakKeith posted Thu, Nov 5 2009, 12:20pm  Of course deforestation is bad thing (unless you're a hungry man in Kenya who wants some land to farm). But that's a separate subject, I'm merely addressing the subject of the thread which is based on a faulty premise. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: scarecrow41 posted Thu, Nov 5 2009, 6:49pm  Isn't deforestation a direct cause of man-made climate change? Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: luna1580 posted Fri, Nov 6 2009, 2:12am  yes and yes. people often totally underestimate/just don't know the details that make this so complex. for example, trees of different species all "breath" notable amounts of moisture into the air around them in the process of exchanging atmospheric carbon dioxide and oxygen in their metabolic processes. and this has a direct and observable effect on the micro-climate of the forested area. when you notice it's cooler in the woods than in the meadow you are noticing more than just the presence of shade. how this directly effects local weather and the larger climate is often forgotten. there are also other things related to ground water and evaporation rates that also effect the local micro-climate and larger whole earth systems far beyond how living plants interact with atmospheric gasses. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Stu posted Fri, Nov 6 2009, 8:32am  One can't debate with a fundamentalist, Luna. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: KodiakKeith posted Fri, Nov 6 2009, 12:52pm  Nor can one debate with a drunk. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Iprymate posted Fri, Nov 6 2009, 10:09pm  Two drunks debating isn't any worse than two sober people debating except they're funnier. If any of you worry about affecting the planet as if it's a big chubby baby vulnerable to humans, then stop breeding and stop driving and stop using electricity, live in the wild but watch those campfires, then maybe some scientific measurement in a few hundred years would prove you correct, they just won't be your descendants measuring, but whatever the dynamic it's not that I disagree, it's that I don't care. We did it in the seventies while everyone who told us to do it were either wrong about their data or got rich from preaching, or both and became politicians. Thawing out the frozen poles would be a science ficiton dream come true and instead it is fear-marketed as a catastrophe by creepy people wanting something in their own lifetimes and don't care what hell happens after. Green peace went militant and red is the new green, a haven for violent people looking for self righteous reasons to destroy stuff because they can't have their way, same as punks with pipebombs using religion. I'm for green peaks and a higher water table. Is it hot in here or just the propoganda? Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 11:36am  I agree. The whole global warming hysteria is a silly waste of time and resources. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Stu posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 5:57am  More laughable lies, komrade? Why, I'd have thought your recent retraction of those lies was to be trusted as sincere. Seems I was wrong on that one. Shocker! Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: KodiakKeith posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 11:40am  I'll try to explain again how it works. When you drop into a thread and insult me with a lie (as you just did), you open yourself to insults in return. I only respond to your sewer crawling, I don't start it. Subject: Re: and the snows of kilimanjaro....are soon to be no more :( From: Stu posted Sat, Nov 7 2009, 11:55am  Where did I lie about you? By calling you a fundamentalist? I was referring to the poster Luna was replying to. Not even a good try, Kodi-waaaaaaa-kKeith.

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