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Subject: Re: Other fish this size could explain some sea monsters From: Gondwana posted Thu, May 26 2005, 4:30am  There are several species of gigantic catfish, like Silurus glanis in Europe (up to 3 m) and Pangasius spp. in Asia (up to 5 m according to some sources). A couple of years ago, an urban legend started in Berlin (where I live) that a very big Silurus was living in the small Grunewald lake, and that it had eaten a couple of dogs which went into the water. For a while, people were afraid to let go their dogs and even more their kids into the water. I don't know if the fish was ever caught - but at least, we also have a "lake monster" here :-) Gondwana Subject: Re: Other fish this size could explain some sea monsters From: Sordes posted Thu, May 26 2005, 8:04am  The size of Silurus glanis is very overexagerated in most cases, in fact the biggest ever recorded wels was about 2,7m, and much larger than any other known wels. Use "Sordes" in "Poster" and "Wels" or "Silurus glanis" in "Search on message content" in the search-engine of the forum, I´ve allready written very much about this topic. The dog which was said to be eaten by a wels, was a little Dachshund, it would not be impossible that a larger wels could eat such a small dog, they eat ducks, rats and larger fish too. Subject: Re: Other fish this size could explain some sea monsters From: Gondwana posted Thu, May 26 2005, 9:03am  Hey, are you living in Berlin, too? How come you know about the "disappearing dogs" in the Grunewald See? Anyway, on fishbasecom, the maximum length given for Silurus glanis is 500 cm (a specimen from the Dniepr river in Russia), with the largest document specimen for the subspecies s. glanis aralensis at 297 cm. Maximum recorded weight was 306 Kg. Pretty big fish, still.. Gondwana Subject: Re: Other fish this size could explain some sea monsters From: Sordes posted Thu, May 26 2005, 11:47am  If you´re from Berlin, dann können wir auch auf deutsch reden...aber das verstehen die meisten hier ja nicht. Ich bin übrigens nicht aus Berlin. The size given on fishbase is incorrect, as many other sizes for the wels are incorrect in many books and homepages. 297 seems realisitc for the biggest ever-living wels, but 306kg seems too heavy. The largest wels-specimens comes from Italy, Spain, France and Greece, and are in very rare cases larger than 2,5m, and some attain really a weight of more than 100kg. If there WOULD be specimens over 5m, there would be known cases of 4m or even 3m long ones. There are no such cases. I´ve never heard about this one from Russia,according to many wels-specialists, the largest one was 2,67m and from Italy or Greece. Subject: Re: Other fish this size could explain some sea monsters From: The seeker posted Sat, May 28 2005, 11:34pm  i think this could explain lake monsters, but not marine monsters because it takes something a lot bigger than a big fish to be a monster in the ocean.

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