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Subject: Re: History and Celestial Time
From: Rangoon posted Tue, Oct 13 2009, 9:42am 
Where as the Antikythera mechanism is interesting it is hardly a real engineering marvel. It's function was as a cyclical machine more like a clockwork device than a computer as we think of the term.

There are even more complex devices from the roman era slightly later in linear time. I do support the idea that our ancestors had the same brain and power of reasoning as we do today. What helps most inventors and engineers is information exchange to build on discoveries of others. I completely agree that information gets lost and sometimes can be rediscovered. The loss of the Library of Alexandria may have set us back a thousand years in technology.

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Subject: Re: History and Celestial Time
From: Aelfwine posted Tue, Oct 13 2009, 10:42am 
"Where as the Antikythera mechanism is interesting it is hardly a real engineering marvel."


I disagree. Even though I base my disagreement on what other people say about it, I think the people who have looked at it and came to the following conclusions are credible enough:

"Professor Michael Edmunds of Cardiff University who led the most recent study of the mechanism said: "This device is just extraordinary, the only thing of its kind. The design is beautiful, the astronomy is exactly right. The way the mechanics are designed just makes your jaw drop. Whoever has done this has done it extremely carefully...in terms of historic and scarcity value, I have to regard this mechanism as being more valuable than the Mona Lisa."[5][6]"

"The device is remarkable for the level of miniaturization and for the complexity of its parts, which is comparable to that of 18th century clocks."

"The calendar dial can be moved to compensate for the effect of the extra quarter day in the solar year (there are 365.2422 days per year) by turning the scale backwards one day every four years. Note that the Julian calendar, the first calendar of the region to contain leap years, was not introduced until about 46 BC, up to a century after the device was said to have been built."

Also, the device is not complete, many gears are missing. We may never know just how good it really was. But we do know that it is 1000-2000 years ahead of it's time according to conventional history.

But that is not as astounding as the Piri Reis map and other maps of similar accuracy that seem to be based on much older maps and show parts of the earth accurately how they were many thousands of years ago and using methods of projection that according to conventional history were not invented until a couple of hundred years ago.

Aelfwine - An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded. ;)
Subject: Steve Dutch's comment on the map of Admiral Piri Reis
From: Rangoon posted Tue, Oct 13 2009, 12:24pm 
The Piri Reis Map

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Subject: Re: Steve Dutch's comment on the map of Admiral Piri Reis
From: Aelfwine posted Tue, Oct 13 2009, 1:30pm 
Well, I started to read a little in the link, but I have no way of knowing who tells the truth short of becoming an expert on projections and maps in general.

In the book Jesse recommends, "Fingerprints of the Gods", a letter is displayed:


8 RECONNAISSANCE TECHNICAL SQUADRON (SAC)
UNITED STATES AIRFORCE
Westover Airforce Base
Massachusetts

6 July 1960

SUBJECT: Admiral Piri Reis World Map
To: Professor Charles H. Hapgood,
Keene College,
Keene, New Hampshire.

Dear Professor Hapgood,

Your request for evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis World Map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land Antarctica, and the Palmer Peninsula, is reasonable. We find this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap. The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.

HAROLD Z. OHLMEYER
Lt Colonel, USAF
Commander

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Aelfwine - "Thought begets Heresy ; Heresy begets retribution."


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