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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Rangoon
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Mon, Oct 26 2009, 11:56am
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I have come to the conclusion that MQ is more out to entertain than find facts or prove or disprove anything,
No startling revelation there to be sure.
I don't know what your opinion of John Green is but he stated his opinion of Byrne, saying that Peter Byrne was a complete fraud. Bigfoot encounters site has an article explaining some of the history between these two and indeed Loren Coleman was involved with both gentlemen through Tom Slick. Loren Coleman's version of the story is that Byrne got the monk drunk and stole it which invalidated the sample imo. |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Mon, Oct 26 2009, 12:29pm
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It seems that wire being used to hold the hand together isn't as important as whether the thumb was actually ever switched in the first place. We have only Byrne's word on that and it's always seemed to me to be a very handy "rimshot" way of dismissing the later tests that showed it to be human. (Not unlike the Shroud of Turin believers who claim that the fire damage to the shroud changed it's carbon dating results so they can then ignore the tests that prove it to be a fake.) If only that portion of the hand was said to be switched then why not test the rest that was not switched? Since belief in the Yeti is at an all time low in Tibet and Nepal it might be possible to obtain the samples for testing and then settle the question of the hand once and for all. |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Rangoon
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Mon, Oct 26 2009, 2:19pm
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I was very lucky enough to be friends with a sherpa who earned his living as a mountain guide. Of course I could not restrain myself from asking if he ever saw a yeti.
His reply was uproarious laughter. He stated clearly that superstitious people ascribe every yak disappearence or "bump in the night" to the yeti and many others keep the story going for the tourists. He had serious scars from being mauled by a bear and it was to bears that he pointed as the real culprits.
Sadly since 911 Chongba has not been able to return to the US that I know of and we are not sure if he is still alive. |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Ella
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Mon, Oct 26 2009, 3:09pm
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Well, great balls of fire, Goon, after reading some news about ole Pete a few years ago, I consider him a complete a**h*le, excuse my language. He's been a real bad boy. He publicly accused Loren Coleman of coming to his house and stealing some slides from him, and then after being publicly accused of that, Loren allegedly paid him for the slides. Well, I consider that to be really dastardly behavior on the part of Peter Byrne. If he had a problem like that with Loren, he should have settled it privately with him and not brayed it all over the world. Loren has denied the accusation, and whether he did snitch a few slides from Peter is not the issue here. I tend to believe Loren, who is too intelligent to pull a fool stunt like that if for no other reason, but even if it were true or Peter thought it was true, he was totally without moral standards or conscience to go public with his belief unless he had proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and even then, he should have settled it with Loren in private rather than try to discredit him and ruin his reputation. All he did was discredit himself, making himself look like an arrogant, self-centered, complete fool. I read what he wrote on some web site, and he comes off as a real j*ck*ss.
On the other hand, he wrote a really good book about his years in the PNW, mainly Oregon, researching BF. It was many years ago, I think way back in the seventies, and was called (I think!), "Bigfoot: Monster, Man or Myth?" Then I heard he went to Nepal or somewhere in the Himalayas to study the Yeti. So he got the monk drunk, LOL? Sounds to me like he drinks too much his ownself and might ought to put the plug in the jug before it kills him, he's not exactly a spring chick! :D :D |
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Peter Byrne is a good man. I met him once in the early 1990s at a convention. He couldn't have been more down to earth, friendly and courteous.
Please don't make assumptions about people you've never met. It's ignorant. |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Rangoon
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Tue, Oct 27 2009, 7:21am
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Do you feel you should make an absolute judgement based on one casual meeting? Many salesmen are smooth to your face yet can be dastardly thieves in reality. |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Ella
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Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:17am
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Ella
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Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:16am
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This is not an assumption, but an opinion based on a statement that Peter Byrne wrote for the public. I'm sure you could find it on Google somewhere if you wanted to, even though it was some years ago. Such behavior, IMO, is just plain unethical and cruel. You have a right to defend Peter just as I have a right to defend Loren, whom I've never met personally but corresponded with him by e-mail quite a few times, and also have read a good number of his books. If you want to think I'm ignorant, that's fine with me.
BTW, Larynx, your profile pictures are so cute! You're the same age as my daughter. The pictures are really clever, especially the one with the eyeshine, just like a Bigfoot's! :) |
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| Subject: | | Re: What happened? Posted twice! |
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Ella
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Tue, Oct 27 2009, 1:28pm
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Ella, I'm sorry I was a little "full-throttle" in my posting. Got home after a really bad day and went to the forums (GREAT IDEA!), but that doesn't excuse me calling you ignorant. I apologize for that.
I've always admired Peter Byrne and as I said, he was extremely nice and didn't seem the least bit arrogant. That's all I'm basing my opinion of the man on. And you have every right to believe what you want of him. I've never met Loren Coleman but he's always seemed to be fairly lucid when it comes to cryptozoology. I know a lot of people on here don't care for him, but to each their own.
And thanks for the compliments! That was very sweet of you! |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Ella
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Thu, Oct 29 2009, 12:53pm
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Dear Larynx, no need to apologize, I'm ignorant about a lot of things, diesel mechanics and brain surgery, for instance! :D EB used to call me all kinds of worse things, such as "a stupid old woman who is desperate for attention", and I replied, "Does that mean you're not coming to Texas to take me to the Dairy Queen any time soon? Older women make better dinner partners, dearie. Oh, woe is me!" :D :D
Maybe ole Pete had a bad day when he wrote that nasty letter or blog, who knows? Before that, I thought he was a wonderful Bigfoot researcher too and still do, but IMO, his personality sux wind, to do a thing like that. Even if I didn't like Loren and thought his research was no good, I would still feel he didn't deserve that kind of shabby treatment from Peter. I don't agree with all of Loren's crypto theories, but that's beside the point. If somebody accused me publicly of pilfering something, I'd just say, "That's right, you ignorant fool, and you gonna have to pay me big bucks to get it back. Go ahead and sue me, sucker! So wipe it." |
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Haha! I don't need to leap to brain surgery to show off my ignorance! :) But an apology was definitely owed to you on my part.
I wasn't aware that Peter Byrne attacked Loren Coleman. I have to admit I've been out of the crypto-loop for a couple months. It's so interesting about the bad blood between some of the researchers (I remember watching one video of Rene Dahinden getting up in the middle of a lecture by Grover Krantz and telling him he was full of shit...lol). |
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| Subject: | | Re: MQ Peter Byrne contradicts himself... |
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Ella
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Wed, Nov 4 2009, 1:24pm
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Great balls of fire! I didn't know about Grover and Rene having a feud either. I think they've both gone to that big research center in the sky now, and they can continue their feud up there. But they now have all the answers and we're still down here asking the questions. :D |
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