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| Subject: | | the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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herm
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Sat, Nov 8 2003, 11:54pm
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on my megalomaniac website I have posted 5 images that I feel are compelling side by side:
1]bottom view of the siberian yeti foot
2]top view, with possible laces visible around the toe
3]x-ray of the yeti foot
4]x-ray of a modern human foot
5]a fossil cave bear hind foot
there are links to previous threads on the issue. I think this thing is a boot, and I can't beleive no one else can see it. I think that the images together speak for themselves.
http://home.earthlink.net/~herm/id4.html
herm the eric beckjord of footwear |
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| Subject: | | Re: the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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William Ivey
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 1:12am
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Sorry Wormspew (so you'll know I actually looked at the site) but the "yeti" x-ray most resembles the cave bear's foot anatomy; they aren't identical and that's to be expected since they're different species. Also, there's nothing resembling laces, unless you're interpreting those tufts of fur on each toe as laces, and they don't appear to be all one piece. |
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| Subject: | | Re: the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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herm
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 12:13pm
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don't those "tufts of fur" look like yarn wrapped around each [strangely rounded] toe? Live American bears do not have this. Don't forget the furred sole. If this is a bear, it is an unknown species. `herm the worm |
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| Subject: | | Re: the futile search for the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 6:31am
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Goshdarnit, herm! I'd love to take a look at your dead horse stuff (or even your yeti/bear/human foot/Timberland stuff), but I can't get to your megalomaniacal website. Tried a number of times. You sure you ain't got a letter or symbol or something missing in your link?
McCall - so frustrated with this that he's about ready to turn to the demon drink |
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| Subject: | | Re: the futile search for the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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herm
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 12:43pm
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look up "wormspew" on yer search engine, M. That's me. You want my "mysteries of the worm " page. |
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| Subject: | | The bear truth of it? (Tee hee) |
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Viashino
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 10:10am
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I've composited a human foot and the x-ray side by side here -
http://home.iprimus.com.au/finback/pics/footcomp.jpg
NB: not to scale.
Now, I've placed them as such because I believe that the "unknown" foot is that of a bear, and bears have the outermost digit as the shortest.
("Bears have relatively flat feet (paws) with five toes. Hind paws are larger than forepaws and resemble the feet of humans, except the "big toe" is located on the outside of the paw" - http://internationalhunters.homestead.com/InteriorBearAnatomy.html)
What we see is that there are totally different phalangeal counts for the hallux (2 in human, 3 in unknown) than what we would expect if we were dealing with a primate.
Now, you might say, what if the unknown foot is the *right* foot, with the shortest toe innermost. Then we have to resolve a primate (in this case, thought to be a human wearing a shoe) in which the hallux is the *shortest* digit, which is unknown in humans.
http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/Grad_Sch/McNair/Summer01/jackieorcholl.htm notes that it is very common to confuse ursid limbs with human limbs, and details diagnostic differences.
Also, BFRO has this to say on the specimen.
http://www.bfro.net/news/altayleg.asp
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| Subject: | | Re: The bear truth of it? (Tee hee) |
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herm
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 12:30pm
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i looked at your link, V. Those feet look a lot alike to me. I suggest everyone check them out. The issue is if those claws are attached to the foot or not. It's hard to say, but the claws are unnaturally worn, and look crooked. If they are not attached, then the phalange count for the "big toe" is exactly right....
herm followin' up... |
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| Subject: | | Re: the shriek of a dead horse.... |
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herm
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 11:14am
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Hey guys; I'm gonna let these pics speak for themselves. In reguard to the extra toe joint, I am saying that the ends of the toes and claws look crooked to me, makes me think that they are not attatched to the foot. Understand, I see LOTS of bears-over a dozen this year, at ranges as close as a few yards. I have seen boots made in this fashion; I have even helped skin a bear carcass. I live next to Yosemite, and I am saying that that thing is part of a bear, but it is not shaped like a bear foot. That top view pic looks like there is something twined around the toes. Go look at a bear in the zoo-that foot is mishapen[yes, possibly from exposure; or from having a foot inside it}. Keep in mind there is extra toe joints for anchoring the claws. V is right about the inside out toes, I have addressed this in the first thread. I will let the pics speak for themselves. McCall-the address should work, but if it won't,you can just run "wormspew" [that's me!] on a search engine and find it. It is on my "mysteries of the worm" page, about 1/2 way down [along w/ an account of my giant rabbit sighting]. I may fall flat on my face, but I would like y'all to have a look. I would really like someone very familiar with bears to look at this thing. ~herm, aka wormspew, stickin his neck out on the line... |
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| Subject: | | Of Fibulas, Tibias, Bear's Feet and Boots |
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Sun, Nov 9 2003, 7:48pm
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First, I found your site. And it's a great one. Gonna have to spend a good chunk of time on it as soon as I can (getting tired now). Did you build it yourself? I'm trying to make one now and so far all I've got is a green screen, a few words, and a splitting headache (LOL!).
Okay, now on to the question at hand:
So, is this thing a bear's foot or a human's foot inside a bear's foot boot? Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with bear tracks, but not so familiar with bear skeletal structure, so I can't say anything about phalanges or anything like that. What I can say is that yes, the toes on a bear's hind foot are flip-flopped as compared to a human's, in that the toe on the outside is larger and set farther forward than the one on the inside. Which is the opposite of a human's. Okay, so the question is, which side of the x-rayed foot is on the outside and which is on the inside?
So how do we figure this out? With fibulas and tibulas, is how. So, do I know very much about the fibulas and tibulas of bears? Nope. Humans? Nope. But I do know something about those things in re dogs. And bears are basically just huge, solitary dogs with five-toed, plantigrade hind feet. And what do fibulas and tibulas have to do with feet? Well, they're attached to 'em, for one thing. Attached to 'em in specific ways, for another. So, to get on with it, a dog's fibula is attached to a dog's patella and runs down the inside of its tibia, only to wrap around it, ending up on the outside of it as it reaches the dog's foot. Now, if a bear's skeletal structure is similar to a dog's (and I bet it is), then its fibula should be on the outside (near it's feet), too. And you can clearly see the fibula (the skinny bone) in the x-ray of the x-rayed foot. And it's on the same side as the larger and forwardly placed toe. Which indicates to me that this is an x-ray of a bear's foot, because a bear's outer toe is larger and place farther forward than its inner. And the fibula is on the same side as those outer toes.
Of course, if a bear's fibula is on the inside (down by it's feet) of its tibia, which would be the opposite of the arrangement found in a dog, than it can't be a bear's foot.
Bottom line: I think it's a bear's foot, based on my guess that the skeletal structure of a bear's leg is basically the same as that of a dog's. But I don't know this for sure.
McCall - who is gonna have to find a good drawing of a bear's skeleton somewhere (and get some sleep) |
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| Subject: | | Re: Of Fibulas, Tibias, Bear's Feet and Boots |
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Tue, Nov 11 2003, 11:42am
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Never did find a good skeleton of a bear on the net, but I found plenty of human skeletons. And the fibula of a human is on the outside of the tibia, too. So, for the x-rayed "yeti" foot to be a human's, the toe on the same side as the skinny bone (fibula) would have to be smaller and set further back. But it's not. Which means this can't be a human's foot.
Sorry, herm, but methinks this is a bear's foot. Unless, of course, the gosh-darned thing is a really complicated joke where these Russian "scientists" stuck a bear's foot and leg inside a bear's foot boot to really mess everybody up. Nah. . . too Machiavellian even for me. Gotta be a bear's foot.
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| Subject: | | Re: Of Fibulas, Tibias, Bear's Feet and Boots |
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Lizzy
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Sat, Nov 15 2003, 10:23pm
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| Subject: | | Re: Of Fibulas, Tibias, Bear's Feet and Boots |
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herm
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Fri, Nov 28 2003, 9:39pm
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maybe. Or twisting from pressure of being buried under ice..... |
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