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Subject: Re: Bigfoot Decline (theory) From: Mngwa posted Mon, Apr 24 2006, 1:23pm  Native horses are believed to have gone extinct in North America app. 10,000 years ago. Kurten puts it at app. 8,000, that is the latest date I've ever seen for an extant native N.A. species. Near the end, there were two equid lineages, one holarctic caballine lineage and one endemic North American (the "stilt-legged" horses), with numerous species. The stilt-legged horses, which shared affinities with the hemionid equids (e.g. onager), appear to have begun their decline earlier than the caballine forms. I don't know the current status, but it has been proposed that the number of Pleistocene species be reviewed and reduced. Equid extinction appears to have coincided roughly with the retreat of glaciation at the end of the Wisconsonian glacial period. So yes, Rangoon, you are correct. I've seen several references on this site and others to a population of horses here in North America that survived the Pleistocene/Holocene extinction to make it to the present. One individual even claimed that these horses were still native to Wyoming. If anyone can provide a reference, I would by appreciative. AFAIK, horse reappeared in North America when reintroduced by the Spanish in the 1500s. Mngwa Subject: Re: Bigfoot Decline (theory) From: Rangoon posted Mon, Apr 24 2006, 2:01pm  Thanks Ivan! I seem to recall that the native cultures of the plains didn't have a word in their language for horse. When they adopted the spanish intriduced horses they called them something like "big dogs". Either way they were long forgotten by the time the English arrived on the continent. goon Subject: Re: Bigfoot Decline (theory) From: 4040 posted Mon, Apr 24 2006, 9:55pm  In Mexico the Indians called the first horses "Magic Dogs." The Spanish kept a lot of Indians for slaves.They put some to herding the horses. Thats how the indians first got horses. They stole them and escaped. The theft of horses entered their lore as the daring and honorable way to get them. Subject: Re: Bigfoot Decline (theory) From: Z.Z. posted Mon, Apr 24 2006, 8:08pm  And this is why I love you Mngwa. ;)

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