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Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: Seeker posted Mon, Jan 21 2008, 11:30pm 
Kraken,

there isn't (to my knowledge) a compilation of all of the names. I've been collecting some of the names for a blog on a similar vein to Mark's series which I will now foregone (acknowledging that Mark has done a better job than I could).

What started my compilation was my research into the lives of the Leni Lenape Indians here in NJ. They too had many legends of a tall hairy man of the woods.

here is my preliminary work for the now foregone blog...

Nice Work Mark! at this rate I won't blog til summer....

Cheers,
Seeker

Call this a extension of my last “folklore” blog.

The Many names for Bigfoot. This is far from a complete list. The native peoples of North America have a rich cultural tradition that spans many different Nations and tribes. Their names for what we now call Bigfoot are myriad and nearly universal, meaning that almost all the tribes had a name for the big guy hiding in the woods.

There are folklorists who say that the names are practical, they describe an known entity, just as all of the tribes have a name for deer, or crows. Their names were a practical consideration, not a fanciful one.

I find it very curious that the name meanings vary from the familiar “Big Elder Brother” to the wary “Bad Luck Spirit” to the terrified, “Evil Cannibal Spirit”

The Tlingit Indians of Southeastern Alaska called it "Kushtaka."
The Den'aina Indians of South central named it "Nant'ina."
The Eskimos of southwest Alaska call it "Urayuli" or "Hairy man."
Bukwas - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian
Tsonaqua - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian
Tornit - Inuit Indian
Nun Yunu Wi - Cherokee Indian
Kecleh-kudleh - Cherokee Indian
Gougou - Micmac Indian
Kokotshe - Tete-de-Boule Indian
Witiko - Tete-de-Boule Indian
Atshen - Tete-de-Boule Indian
Misinghalikun - Lenni Lenape Indian
Wsinkhoalican - Lenni Lenape Indian
Nu'numic - Owens Valley Paiute Indian
Tse'nahaha - Mono Lake Paiute Indian
Slalakums - Upper Stalo Indian
Iktomi - Plains Indian
Kashehotapalo - Choctaw Indian
Nalusa Falaya - Choctaw Indian
Windago - Athabascan Indian
Wetiko - Cree Indian
Sasquatch - Salish Indian
Choanito - Wenatchee Indian
Tsiatko - Puyallup / Nisqually Indian
Steta'l - Puyallup / Nisqually Indian
Atahsaia - Zuni Indian
Madukarahat - Karok Indian
Chiye tanka - Lakota Sioux Indian
Chiha tanka - Dakota Sioux Indian
A hoo la hul - Yup'ik Indian
Esti Capcaki - Seminole Indian
Gogit - Haida Indian
Hecaitomixw - Quinault Indian
Skukum - Quinault Indian
Tsadjatko - Quinault Indian
Mesingw - Leni Lenape Indian
Na'in - Gwich'in Indian
Ye'iitsoh - Navajo Indian
Nantiinaq - Kenai Peninsula Indian
Urayuli - SW Alaskan Eskimo
Gilyuk - Nelchina Plateau Indian
So'yoko - Hopi Indian
Miitiipi - Kawaiisu Indian
Tso apittse - Shoshone Indian
Boqs - Bella Coola Indian
Loo poo oi'yes - Miwuk Indian
Yi'dy'tay - Nehalem / Tillamook Indian
Sasahevas - Halkomelem Indian
Sc'wen'ey'ti - Spokane Indian
Seatco - Yakama / Klickitat / Puyallup Indian
Ste ye mah - Yakama Indian
Seat ka - Yakama Indian
Skookum - Chinook Indian
See'atco - Salish Indian
Xi'lgo -Nehalem / Tillamook Indian
Rugaru - Ojibway Indian
Skanicum - Colville Indian
Seeahtkch - Clallam Indian
Omah - Yurok Indian
El-lsh-kas - Makah Indian
Saskets - Salishan / Sahaptin Indian
Manabai'wok - Menomini Indian
Yayaya-ash - Klamath Indian
Matlose - Nootka Indian
Iariyin - Hare Indian
Goo tee khi - Chilkat Indian
Kala'litabiqw - Skagit Indian
Yahyahaas - Modoc Indian
Toylona - Taos Indian
Get'qun - Lake Lliamna Indian
Nant'ina - Dema'ina Indian
Neginla eh - Alutiiq / Yukon Indian
Oh Mah - Hoopa Indian
Sne nah - Okanogan Indian
Qah lin me - Yakama / Klickitat Indian
Ge no'sgwa - Seneca Indian
Ge no sqwa - Iroquois / Seneca Indian
Ot ne yar heh - Iroquois Indian
Tah tah kle' ah - Yakama / Shasta Indian
At'at'ahila - Chinookan Indian
Qui yihahs - Yakama / Klickitat Indian

NAME TRIBE TRANSLATION
Yi' dyi'tay Nehalem Tillamook Indian "Wild Man"
Sasahevas Halkomelem Language Salish Indian "Sasquatch", "Wild Man of the Woods" Xi'lgo Nehalem Tillamook Indian "Wild Woman"
Sc'wen'ey'ti Spokane Indian "Tall Burnt Hair""
Skanicum Colville Indians "Stick Indians"
Choanito Wenatchee Indian "Night People"
Ste ye mah Yakama Indian "Spirit hidden by woods"
Seatco Yakama/Klickitat/Puyallup "Stick Indian"
Seat ka Yakama Indian Not Available
See'atco Coast Salish Indian "One who runs and hides"
Tsiatko Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Wild Indians"
Steta'l Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Spirt Spear"
Seeahtkch Clallam Indian Not Available
Qui yihahs Yakama/Klickitat Indian "The Five Brothers"
Skookum Chinook Indian "Evil God of the Woods"
At'at'ahila Chinookan Indian Not Available
Omah Yurok Indian Not Available
Oh Mah Hoopa Indian "Boss of the Woods"
Bukwas Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wildman of the Woods"
Tsonaqua Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wild Woman of the Woods"
Tah tah kle' ah Yakama/Shasta Indian "Owl Woman Monster"
Sne nah Okanogan Indian "Owl Woman"
Rugaru Turtle Mt Ojibway Not Available
Qah lin me Yakama/Klickitat Indian Not Available
Windago Eastern Athabascan Indian "Wicked Cannibal"
Wetiko Cree Indian Not Available
Chiye tanka Lakota (West)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"
Chiha tanka Dakota (East)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"
Matlose Nootka Indian Not Available
Neginla eh Alutiiq/Yukon Indian "Wood Man"
Nantiinaq Kenai Peninsula Indian Not Available
Nant'ina Dena'ina Indian Not Available
Urayuli SW Alaskan Eskimo Not Available
Get'qun Lake Lliamna Indian Not Available
Kushtaka Tlingit Indian "Otter Man"
A hoo la huk Yup'ik Indian Not Available
Gilyuk Nelchina Plateau Indian "Big Man with little hat"
lariyin Hare Indian "Bushman"
So'yoko Hopi Indian Not Available
Ot ne yar heh Iroquois Indian "Stonish Giant"
Ge no sqwa Iroquois/Seneca Indian "Stone Giants"
Ge no'sgwa Seneca Indian "Stone Coats"
Miitiipi Kawaiisu Indian "Bad luck or disaster"
Yahyahaas Modoc Indian Not Available
Tso apittse Shoshone Indian "Cannibal Giant"
Toylona Taos Indian "Big Person"
Atahsaia Zuni Indian "The Cannibal Demon"
Boqs Bella Coola Indian "Bush Man"
Goo tee khl Chilkat Indian Not Available
Loo poo oi'yes Miwuk Indian Not Available
Kala'litabiqw Skagit Valley Indian Not Available
Madukarahat Karok Indian "Giant"
Nun Yunu Wi Cherokee Indian "The Stone Man"
Kecleh-Kudleh Cherokee Indian "Hairy Savage"
Esti Capcaki Seminole Indian "Tall Man"
Mesingw Lenni Lenape Indian "The Mask Being"
Misinghalikun Lenni Lenape Indian "Living Solid Face"
Wsinkhoalican Lenni Lenape Indian "The Game Keeper"
Saskets Salishan/Sahaptin Indian "The Giant"
Yayaya-ash Klamath Indian "The Frightener"
Manabai'wok Menomini Indian "The Giants"
Nu'numic Owens Valley Paiute "The Giant"
Tse'nahaha Mono Lake Paiute "Giant"
Gogit Haida Indians "Not Available"
Tsadjatko Quinault Indians "Giants"
Hecaitomixw Quinault Indians "Dangerous Being"
Skukum Quinault Indians "Devil of the Forest"
Slalakums Upper Stalo Indians "The Unknown"
Na'in Gwich'in Indians "Brushman"
El-Ish-kas Makah Indians "Not Available"


Sources:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/3080/names.html
http:/
/wnybic.freeyellow.com/native.html
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: Mark57c posted Tue, Jan 22 2008, 12:09am 
THANK YOU SEEKER!!!!! That is Fantastic!!! You did ALL the leg work and I really appreciate it!

...acknowledging that Mark has done a better job than I could...


That is very kind and VERY untrue! You should still blog this subject and I am sure that it would be a Great read if your other blogs are any indication!

Mark

(I bow humbly before a researcher who performs above and beyond the call of duty!!)
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: Kraken posted Tue, Jan 22 2008, 6:14am 
A most impressive list Seeker. I would be curious to know how these names were obtained. The first source seems to originate from the Sasquatch Research Hominoid Research Group authored by three individuals who (not surprisingly) are all interested in Bigfoot in one way or another (I did a web search on their names). None seem to have any credentials in historical linguistics or Native American studies. The second source listed does not work for me (perhaps you or someone could be kind enough to provide a better link).

Now I am assuming that many of those names not from the two sources listed were ones that yourself have come up with. If I am not being too forward, I would be interested in how you researched and came up with these names. I don't think it's too presumptuous to think that you did not go from tribe to tribe and talk with the village elders. If this is a compilation from many different sources perhaps you could point them out such as manuscripts or historical books. Some names as has been noted, seem to have little connection to Sasquatch (Owl Woman, Otter Man) and it's possible that yet even others may be simply "boogeyman" names made up to scare rambunctious children from straying to far.

There is a myriad of reasons listed in the posts below that present problems in relying on this line of reasoning for use in proving the existence of Bigfoot but this compilation is interesting if for nothing else showing that different cultures and tribes seem to have a universal theme of something strange and different from them.
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: Seeker posted Tue, Jan 22 2008, 7:49am 
"but this compilation is interesting if for nothing else showing that different cultures and tribes seem to have a universal theme of something strange and different from them."

Yup! and thanks...

Kraken when I started researching Leni Lenape folklore, I came in contact with several folks from other tribes, and talking points were about woodlands spirits and the such. To them hairy hominids inhabiting the areas around them were just as natural as any other creature.

We have a tendency to dismiss their observations for want of scientific method, but the reality is that they were and are just as human as we are. Their experience is no less valuable than that of scientists today, just not adhering to scientific protocols and observations.
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: 7needlesynopsis posted Tue, Jan 22 2008, 10:41am 
Hey Seeker,
You referenced the name "Iktomi" is plains indian. You may want to check the variations on the name in Sioux, most notably Lakota. I seem to remember the name "Inktomi". The book I read on it was called Sacred Language. Excellent read btw. Especially if you have any sort of interest in linguistics.

Justin
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: mysticete posted Tue, Jan 22 2008, 10:25am 
Some of these names seem familiar from a spirit and Fairy encyclopedia I have back in Michigan (sadly none of my folklore and cryptozoology books are with me right now), and some of those names I don't recall being attached to a bigfoot like creature. That makes me believe that possibly some of the sources you used could be biased, either through selective reading, or cultural contamination where unrelated spirits have received bigfoot like qualities in modern retellings

A quick example would be the Tornit, described here:

Tornit (check near the bottom of this page)

The description given on this site really doesn't jibe with bigfoot, but is more similar to another tribe of normal people the Inuit may have had contact with

Others creatures, from a quick internet appraisal, seem to be much more spirit then hominoid. The Nalusa Falaya for instance are mentioned as lean wizened humanoids with small eyes and pointy ears, who can shed their skins and travel as willow wisps. When they encounter a human, they stab them with their little spears, which apparently turns the infected human into a malice filled human which will attack his friend on site.
Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots (Part 4): Perception in time
From: alpha_wolf posted Wed, Apr 22 2009, 8:58pm 
I didn't find the meanings of
Kashehotapalo - Choctaw Indian
Nalusa Falaya - Choctaw Indian
Posted. Did I overlook them or what?


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