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Subject: The Gable Film From: wolfen123 posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 4:55am  This is the link to the best evidence of the Michigan dogman yet. Tell me what you think it is? the link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=txXmH5c8_f8 Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: /PJ posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 5:32am  Altho finding a camera and a truck from the 1960's might be hard to do, it isn't impossible. The story is as phony as the Blair witch, and just in time for the Halloween rush. The "creature" looks like a young goriila romping around in the bush. Other than that...who knows? Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Cman posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 5:57am  Well I took about 5 minutes of continuous clicking and re clicking at the point where you can actully see the creature.If you look right at the point the camera stops and you can see the actual creature you can see its head moves.It is hard for me to figure out what it is.At first it looks like a person almost.Then it starts to move and it looks like a gorilla.But as it turns it has a much more...bigger body.It then looks like a rather large dog or sheep type animal by the way it jumps to the side.It changes to much for me to have a solid answer. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:01am  I reached that conclusion, too. I'm not sure what the thing is or why it behaves so oddly but its limbs all appear to be the same proportion (not a guy running around on their haunches) and it runs very much like a dog would in the same action. It definatly has an eeire quality to it and I just felt unsettled by the sight of that thing. Very interesting case here. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:10am  I'm trying to get stills from the film to get a better understanding of what this thing is and I got an okay capture: The Image Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:15am  And this award-winning enhancement (I know, I know)points out the hind leg, forelegs and head. It's a bit clearer when in motion, that is to say what each part is. There's also an interesting few frames at the end just before the camera hits ground that captures teeth, an open mouth and what I interpret to be an eye. It's hard to pause it just right, I'm trying to get an image of it. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:20am  It dose look like a larger animal than the other have sugested...actually it moves very much like a gorrila a large male I would think perhaps an adult male not a juvanile. Perhaps an escape from a circus or private collection?. at the point befor the c amera falls to the ground there is what appears to be a bite at the camera you can see the inside of the mouth and the teath of the creature. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: /PJ posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:45am  I smell hoax, BIG time. Have you checked what else that guy posted? There is a picture of an open mouth and large teeth on "the Legend of Michigan Dogmen". Same ones in this film just superimposed on the film. Still have no idea what the animal is but as in all good horror movies, you never really get a clear shot of the monster. Very good amateur horror movie for Halloween. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: AtomicMysteryMonster posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 7:55pm  Here's a video of a bear moving around like an ape. However, I don't think this was a bear and I agree with the others who think this is a hoax. In fact, wasn't the "legend of the dogman" completely made up for a song? Subject: Oops! From: AtomicMysteryMonster posted Sat, Sep 29 2007, 2:15am  I put the wrong URL in the above link. Here's the correct one. Subject: Re: Oops! From: Entity posted Sat, Sep 29 2007, 3:25am  "I put the wrong URL in the above link." Good thing you didn't link to pornotube =P Subject: Re: Oops! From: criptidseeker posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 12:04am  Ok,....that bear makes me sea sick.....thats one stir crazy bear. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: mysticete posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:47am  creepy, but definitely hoax Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Rangoon posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 6:22pm  but definitely hoax Use the force Luke...reach out with your feelings... goon- I'm older than you and if I say it's real then yer jest another retard with a PHD...fortunately I do agree (wink-wink) Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: shenron posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 9:57pm  People! This video is editted too neatly. It is most likely to be a movie/tv trailer or something. Probably from those guys who bought you X-Files. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 11:07am  Did some more research, looked around and did some searching. I found this quote from Mindstage Productions “We are reporters, not advocates. We prefer to let the experts analyze and critically comment on the films, photographs, and documents we offer, and to allow the casual viewer to decide for themselves.” Take that as you will. I also found quite a bit of blog coverage all over the place about this footage. I found this one to be especially interesting. So the video is still to be rendered a hoax or otherwise. I'd sure like to know. Al- gonna keep an eye on this one. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: de_hart posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 6:31pm  I haven't watched the film, but the pic above looks alot like a highland cow to me. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: DeadRinger posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 7:58pm  well two things interest me in this movie. the cant find it part when suddenly it cuts and its just there sitting. that and it sorta look like a road kill pic of a unknown animal that sora looked like a dog but it was bushy and had shorter back legs here is a link http://www.cryptozoology.com/gallery/display_picture.php?id=784 its a entertaining video. but i need abit more proof before i become a true believer. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: wolfen123 posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 7:27pm  It looks like something when its sitting there and as its running but when it jumps it looks exactly like a ram or sheep of some kind. hmmmm i would like to know were this footage was shot. Also its on Michigan-Dogman.com Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: bigrex posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 8:04pm  Well the teeth that are in the film at 3:07 are gorilla like, as the only ones that are elongated ant pointed are, ironically, the canines. But dogs and wolves teeth are all sharp. the front teeth are also too small to be from a human mouth, even one wearing fake fangs. There is nothing in the film that leads me to say that this was a dogman or werewolf. Just a very good amateur horror film, not unlike some other ones on You tube, just not very convincing as far as evidence goes. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: wolfen123 posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 9:36pm  but rex its not just a youtube video someone just put it there. i couldnt load it on the dogman website so i looked for it on youtube. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Kimberly posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 9:43pm  Hey Guys, I know the person who owns said video. He didnt not put it on Cryptozoology.com and DID NOT give anyone else permission to so either! In fact, Cisco, please pull that video from the forum as it was posted without permision of the owner. Kim Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 10:50pm  wow, this is new. Kim if your friend owns the video perhaps he can shed more light on it???? Actually no one posted the entire video here on this site just a link to a PUBLIC domain where the origional video was posted. Did our friend post the video on that site (youtube)?? The only thing posted here is a couple stills to try to determin what the creature is. Has your friend ever had the video looked at by profesionals? it strikes me odd if he did not as if this were a real found video and it is a real animal attack and someone may have been hurt or killed someone would have had it investigated................it just strikes me as odd. Did your friend shoot the video? or find the video?. The way the video was edited it seems it was edited for aparently public viewing of some sort. Donna Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: bigrex posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 11:21pm  Kim, if your friend has a problem, then they need to take it up with you tube and the person who posted it there. The members of CZ.com have every right to link to a video on a public site. And like someone else said, they only LINKED to the video, they did not post the video itself, so there is nothing for Cisco to pull. The only reason that a person wouldn't want the video made public is they know it's a fake and don't want to be associated with a hoax, or they don't know it's a hoax and want to make money from it. Either way, I think it's too late, so maybe your friend can come on here and discuss the video and debate the validity of it with like minded people and critics alike. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: /PJ posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 11:30pm  Yup. Don't think if it's on Youtube, then a link is posted, that anything can be done about it. Thousands of people have already seen it on Youtube (or will). And unless Youtube pulls it (unlikely), then it'll wind up here again anyway. Plus the clip says it's owned by a woman named Ellen. What gives there? Found this another clip that was shown "A theatrical preview of the music video that's part of "The Legend" 20th Anniversary Collectors Edition." Yeah looks like part of a movie to me. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: /PJ posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 11:47pm  Here More evidence found. Yup seems I might be right, part of a music viseo for a movie folks. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Thewaiterisin posted Thu, Sep 27 2007, 11:49pm  Whupdey freakin doo! BORING! Why is there never a true story along with the videos? "Oh this is a picture I took of such and such, but you know it never crossed my mind to photo tracks or anything else." Same old sht, different video! Mongo want proof!!! Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: BillB posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 12:20am  Search for "Mindstage Productions" brought up this: The Legend - Order Page Coincidence? Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: triceratops_khan posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 2:21am  "Tell me what you think it is?" Although the general conseus here is that it is a gorilla, I think it looks more like a bear to be honest. The thing that makes me reach that distinction is how long the body is in the one split second. I've never seen a gorilla of any species or size with a body that long. The teeth people here are talking about to me look nothing more than human.....maybe the camera fell at an angle where the persons open mouth was visible? All in all, I'd say inconclusive. You would think that the people taking the video would want to show the world it was something unusual and get a good view of it, but at the same time even if it was just a bear or out of place silverback, I don't think anyone would have enough self control to keep a camera still. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Kimberly posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 9:00am  Well I tried. But if the owner dosent want to step forward to do anything about it then why should I. Rip away guys. Ive thought it wasnt real from the start. TOO many discrepincies. Suposedly it was found in an attic at an estate sale and given to this person...A group of us were given a "sneak preview" what ever that means...think it means before anyone else had a chance to see it. That was early last week. I had said early on that if the ending wasnt so similar to the ending in the movie "The Blair Witch" then I might have been more open minded to it being a real video. I, perhaps more then most, want nothing more then for someone to catch on film a "Dogman"...but I dont think this is it. Im not the kind of person who is going to belive a photo or video is real just because I want real eveidence to present itself sooooo badly. And I was mistaken...the person I thought it belonged to is a "friend" of the person it really does...now this video is third hand...found at an estate sale, given to the currant owner, friend passed it along to us...like I said, too many discrepencies for it to be real. Kim Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 10:07am  That does make it feel pretty shaky. It still feels a bit strange to me; personally, I'll follow this story, at least to have it verified as a hoax and at most to have it verified as inconclusive. I've no illusions that it'll be identified as something unknown; either there's not enough information or quality or nobody will take it seriously enough. Al- such are the troubles of cryptic footage Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Wildphotographer posted Sat, Sep 29 2007, 8:34pm  Kim, I tried to contact you via your website but the email delivery failed. Please email me at wildphotographer@hotmail.com as I need to compare notes on the true "owner" of the film. I think I smell a rat. Thanks, John Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Wildphotographer posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 9:22am  I have been corresponding with the present owner of the film and he has agreed to allow me to include it in my "Hunt the Dogman" film. I just returned from a week of filming in western Kentucky concerning the legend. I believe that the film shows a KNOWN animal, albeit an escaped or feral one, attacking the camera. I believe it to be a baboon. I am supposed to receive the original capture file here in a day or so along with a release to use it. At that time I will send the file to M.K. Davis for further study. After Davis weighs in on it I may use it with a disclaimer if the animal is unidentifiable. I will also post his opinion here. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 10:01am  Indeed, keep us posted on it. I'd still be just as scared to have a baboon charge me. Nasty teeth, you know. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: mysticete posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 11:08am  I would be very hesitant about including this in your documentary without thorough research. This to me seems very much like a DVD extra one would find for a fictional movie... Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Wildphotographer posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 6:59pm  Thanks for the wise advice. I will only use this if I can either not conclude that it is a fake or conclude it is a known animal. Then, a disclaimer will be used. As I am partnering with another producer, this will have to be discussed. As it is, I was the one who asked him to contact the owner. All will be worked out when the file arrives here on CD. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Carnage posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 2:47pm  What a film still in 2 minds but some of the movements look really natural what about that back leg movement that just blew me away. I would love to see the unedited film. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Jason Crocker posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 7:34pm  It seems odd ot me that the man who now owns the film, also owns the rights to the "Legend of the Dogman" song, and claims that he wouldn't go through all of the bother to promote it as it is "just too much work to make and package" the song if it suddenly gets a boost from this clip, as he donates all of the money to an undisclosed charity. Yeah, I can see how it would be rough burning and labeling all those discs when ones' wrists are so sore from counting stacks of cash. It's a good thing this guy won't have to worry about that though, huh? The whole thing stinks of hoax, yet I was VERY entertained by it. Maybe we can see a clip of the Dogman at his summer retreat in Wisconsin next? I'll be waiting... Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Entity posted Fri, Sep 28 2007, 11:36pm  It's a werwolf. We are ALL GOING TO DIE..... But honestly, it kind of did look like a baboon... Hmmm Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: nessie_Y2K posted Sat, Sep 29 2007, 12:16pm  Heh, now I really can't wait for Halloween this year >=D. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Foxtrot_X-Ray posted Sun, Sep 30 2007, 2:19am  Just visited the Zoo yesterday and on visiting the Ape House & watching them run around.. the animal in the id is 100% consistent with a Gorilla. Big one, too. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: FoxEspiriʇu posted Sun, Sep 30 2007, 9:54am  Dont jump to conclusions too fast. What about this animal? It looks just like in the video. Picture Here Video Here Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Jason Crocker posted Tue, Oct 2 2007, 8:15pm  I have to agree. If it IS a real creature, wolverine is the best bet given locale and time period. Good catch Fox... Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Sun, Oct 7 2007, 7:49am  You know now that you mention it, wolverines could be a very good guess. Right now I'm starting to think this whole video is just a hoax. One of the reasons (and main one) is that is there any proof this video was even shot during that time and the place where it supposedly happened? Some say that a truck like the one in the vid would be hard to get but my dad has two of those trucks only thing is that his are from 1973. I could get a picture to prove it. although we only have one since the other one was bought by some guy for $3000. Anyway are there wolverines living in North America? Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: wolfen123 posted Sun, Sep 30 2007, 7:39pm  The Gable Film Article of Review sorry for all the comosion but it is a hoax. Its in a article on its orginal website. I hope posting that link is bad. sorry if i offended some i didnt think a link was copyright. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Sun, Sep 30 2007, 11:22pm  the hoax part of this is that he is basing his finding on a very very blurry shadowy foot but to me this still looks and moves exactly like a gorrila. gorilas also have human looking feet, not sure how one would be able to see that type of detail to tell the difference between the two in that grainy, blurry and out of focus film/stills. to me dose this evedence prove fake...no dose it prove its real...again no. He never states in his page that he is definate that it is a fake. and by the way links are not copywright. He was reffering to the stills of said movie. Donna Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Mon, Oct 1 2007, 1:15am  I went to the site and looked through his sightings one sighting stated what dog has blue eyes actually there are several breeds with blue eyes and big dogs too like, catahola's, siberians, apalapa bulldogs ect. my spelling may be off but its close. the one sighting with pics looks like a ginger chow dog. isnt the creature suposed to be black?. the part about standing on its hind leggs throws me off a bit...something to think about. these are just my observations. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Mon, Oct 1 2007, 9:10am  its teeth look almost dog like but its definetly a gorrila from the way it moves. probably the camera man invaded its territori since adult gorrillas get very agressive in their territory. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: wolfen123 posted Mon, Oct 1 2007, 7:13pm  I do believe its real. I was just putting that link that said it was fake on here to see what you thought. Also about the last post. Please tell me were a gorilla would take up territory in Michigan. Also tell me were you find a gorilla with ears on the top of the head like that. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Tue, Oct 2 2007, 12:58am  the gorrila could be an escape or a turned loose animal there was a chimp like animal running loose sucking eggs out of peoples chicken coops untill a lady captured him thinking he was a big foot...but thats another story. as for ears I seen no ears on top of the head that stuck up on that creature in the film Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Wed, Oct 3 2007, 5:27am  we all have diferent believes but this one is still un explained. earlier today i was thinking about that video and thought about this. it has a gorrila body but its body is too long to be gorrila. as for the bear theory it could be possible since it moved somewhat like a bear but its front legs where too long to be a bear which makes it seem more gorrila. as for the ears i hadnt seen none and i have seen the gable film so many times trying to see if i could find an animal that could be it. by the way cryptidseeker has a point since it could be an escaped gorrila. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: frozenengineer posted Wed, Oct 3 2007, 2:20am  I'm Sorry everyone but the biggest evidence of this being a hoax is not the type of video or the fact that the animal looks like a gorilla or anything like that but the timing of the release. Just before Halloween on a year ending in seven. A person can't drive through Northern Lower Michigan this month and not hear the song "Legend" playing on every local radio station. It plays several times a day most after dark. I don't have a lot of time now but will a little later today to compile links to lyrics and such on the subject. Obviously its just a little hype for the song and the annual "Dogman Hunt" in Wexford county. Links to follow at my next break. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 12:19am  I believe it is real and was found lying in a box somewhere. I also believe that this person either baught it or found it seeing a way to increase his own financial gains by passing it off as the dogman. If this was an escaped gorrila why not research escaped gorrilas in that area and around that time. I am sure if there were an actual gorrila attack or an attack of a wild animal it would have hit the papers right? Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 3:34am  check out this site. its has the story and parts of the song of the legend. The Legend - History Pages Pretty interesting stuff though it says that the legend came out to be a prank. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 4:49am  "The Legend" by Steve Cook A cool summer mornin' in early June is when the legend began,....At a nameless logging camp in Wexford County where the Manistee River ran. ....Eleven lumberjacks near the Garland Swamp found an animal they thought was a dog. ....In a playful mood they chased it around ...'til it ran inside a hollow log..... A logger named Johnson grabbed him a stick and poked around inside... Then the thing let out an unearthly scream and came out ...and stood upright. ...None of those men ever said very much about whatever happened then. ....They just packed up their belongings and left that night and were never heard from again. It was ten years later in '97 when a farmer near Buckley was found... Slumped over his plow, his heart had stopped. There were dog tracks all around. ...Seven years past the turn of the century they say a crazy old widow had a dream ....of dogs that circled her house at night. They walked like men and screamed.... In 1917 a sheriff who was out a walkin' ...Found a driverless wagon and tracks in the dust like wolves had been a stalkin'.... Near the roadside a four-horse team lay dead with their eyes open wide.... When the vet finished up his examination he said it looked like they died of fright... In '37 a schooner captain said several crew members had reported... a pack of wild dogs roaming Bowers Harbor. His story was never recorded.... In '57 a man of the cloth found claw marks on an old church door... The newspaper said they were made by a dog. He'd a had to stood seven foot four.... In '67 a van load of hippies told a park ranger named Quinlan... they'd been awakened in the night by a scratch at the winda... there was a dog-man looking' in and grinnin.' In '77 there were screams in the night near the village of Bellaire... Could have been a bobcat, could have been the wind. Nobody looked up there...Then in the summer of '87, near Luther it happened again.... At a cabin in the woods it looked like maybe someone had tried to break in...There were cuts in the door that could only have been made by very sharp teeth and claws...He didn't wear shoes cause he didn't have feet; he walked on just two paws... So far this spring no stories have appeared. Have the dogmen gone away? Have they disappeared?... Soon enough I guess we'll know cause summer is almost here.... And in this decade called the 80s, the 7th year is here.... And somewhere in the northwoods darkness a creature walks upright And the best advice you may ever get... Is don't go out at night... found the lyrics Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: criptidseeker posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 7:33am  actually from what I gather it started as a prank but an unknown criptid fell into the ledgend. and the ledgend kinda soaked it and other strange sightings up as dogman. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Fri, Oct 5 2007, 5:46am  thats also what i heard. it started as a prank and they planned to put the song on the radio to play a few times and just disappear but something went wrong. i still think its a gorilla. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Alexander The Typical posted Wed, Oct 3 2007, 3:21am  I just had an epiphany (possibly a belated one): focusing on all the interesting aspects of the creature, I didn't pay any attention to what should not be going on in the ending. The person taping runs away, keeping the camera pointed forward and up for a POV of them running through the trees. *smacks head* Somebody running for their life wouldn't care if the shot was leveled! The camera would be capturing a shaking image of the ground because they'd be running away or even a stationary image of them running away and being attacked, having dropped the camera to run. At first glance, this is a stunning bit of film but as time goes on more and more just hits you. The "creature" pays no attention until it turns to look at the person filming (somebody calling to it/calling a name?) All of this now points me towards a tame animal. Al- feeling foolish and a bit annoyed. Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Hopo_UK posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 3:02am  Awww! The footage has been pulled by Youtube! It come up with this message: " This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Mindstage Productions " Does anyone know of another link to this footage as I have not seen it yet? Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Hopo_UK posted Thu, Oct 4 2007, 3:28am  Ah hold on, I've just found another clip on Youtube, though it doesn't look like all of the video. Is this the video in question? YouTube - Michigan Dogman Gable Film Enhancement Subject: Re: The Gable Film From: Odagled posted Mon, Oct 8 2007, 7:50am  This video just shows the animal before it attacks. The other video that was posted was there for I think a day before people started to say its fake. Its just a prank or maybe a hoax. Alexander gave out the best point about this creature. It seems like a trained animal becuase of the way the person runs away. It also moves more gorrila like than a dog.

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