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Subject: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: wolfman2010 posted Mon, Oct 26 2009, 12:03pm 
laugh at me if you will, but i've met a chupacabra. I live in the desert in southern california, and i own a small farm. we have chickens, a horse, a goat, and geese. keep in mind, this all happened three years ago. almost every morning we discovered one of our chickens laying out in our barnyard stone dead. it had no injuries except for two holes pierced either in the hen's neck or chest, and the body was completely void of blood. one night we heard our dogs snarling and fighting something, so we stepped outside and there it was. thankfully, our three dogs were able to chase it off, but not before it left a few gashes on them. the chupacabra itself stood about four feet tall with back spines, large claws and eyes, striped skin, hands, and yes, it stood on two legs.(for an excellent picture of exactly what i saw, look in the book wierd california, page 97 under bizarre beasts) when all three of our dogs attacked it at once, it hopped over our six foot tall fence with a single jump and ran away screaming on all fours. i will never forget that sound.
still with me? here's where it gets weird, and you'll probably laugh at me for this, but i promise i'm serious. my family has deep roots in old european tradition, especially lithuanian and catholic tradition. since the beast left the reeking stench of sulfur on our property and on the dogs, we assumed this was something supernatural. we got together mediterranean sea salt, blessed holy water, and the herb sage, and performed a spiritual "cleansing" on our property. for the next several nights the thing came to our fence, but did not cross. and i swear, the thing was glaring the whole time. we tried to take pictures of it, but any time we got close, even if we were concealed, it would look right at us then run off yammering and screeching. after ten days of this, it finally gave up. since that day, it's never bothered or killed our animals again. the fact that it left the stench of sulfur, coupled with it's malavolent intelligence and the fact that sage, sea salt, and holy water repelled it, i theorize that the chupacabra is not a creature of this earth at all, but a demon. by the way, the police were never called for this incident because for one, want would we tell them? and two, our police force out here in the middle of the desert doesn't really care. think what you will, laugh if you want, but that's my story and theory.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Stu posted Mon, Oct 26 2009, 5:43pm 
Joined site today.

No profile details.

No paragraphs.

Hyperbolic narrative.

First post claims fantastical personal encounter with demonic 'crypto' entity.

Is PC access allowed during detention?
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: AustraliaMegalania posted Mon, Oct 26 2009, 9:16pm 
Joined site today
you know, some people just might actually join a crypto site to relay to others what they have seen for advice or comfort.

i have a question. if this sighting occured at night, how did you make such an accurate description of this creature, assuming it was moving actively the whole time during the dog fight?.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: kearnivorous posted Mon, Oct 26 2009, 10:20pm 
Joined site today
you know, some people just might actually join a crypto site to relay to others what they have seen for advice or comfort.


But why do it 3 years after the incident? It's not as if the sight is hard to find, type "cryptozoology" into google, and the first linky is to here. Plus his description is rather fanciful, even excluding the demonic part. The creature looks exactly like one depicted in a book? Not able to get close enough to capture it on film, also obviously not smart enough to find a camera that has a zoom function on it. Then the part that he thinks is weird is the demonic part?

"I try to keep an open mind but not so open that my brains fall out."
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Loreweaver posted Mon, Oct 26 2009, 10:48pm 
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Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mutant posted Tue, Oct 27 2009, 10:07pm 
*faceplams self*

Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Coldflames posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 12:32am 
It just sounds too detailed....like someone copied it straight from Wikipedia. I donno, I could just be me.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Andromache posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 7:51pm 
It does,it does,but I'm not prepared to dismiss this profile free user as a troll just yet.This could just be a bizzare mis-id with a reactive,religious and superstitious twist.Many people tend to read between the lines much too heavily in encounters like this.There are many psychological aspects involved in the actual encounter that could be warped into an account with a trollish voice and tone.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mutant posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:39pm 
It does a little bit. Thats why i thought the tactical facepalm was necessary
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Odagled posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:42pm 
Another "real" chupacabra story. They get better everytime.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mutant posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 10:40pm 
dont they always?
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Odagled posted Thu, Oct 29 2009, 12:32pm 
yea but this sounds somewhat similar to a myth i read a while back about werewolves and the devil. ill find it and post it.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mutant posted Thu, Oct 29 2009, 2:12pm 
10-4
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Odagled posted Sun, Nov 1 2009, 6:29pm 
Haven't found it. It's been a while since I read it though
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mutant posted Sun, Nov 1 2009, 8:35pm 
no big
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: FalconStorm posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 6:05pm 
Demons, I believe in. But I seriously doubt that "sage, sea salt, and holy water" repel anything.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Datu Puti posted Fri, Oct 30 2009, 10:40am 
the sea salt will certainly work on slugs. slugs must be demons too :D.

demons may be part of the Christian worldview but the idea that anything physical like an herb or a mineral would affect such a being comes from unrelated superstitions and doesn't make sense anyway.

I'm with you on this one FalconStorm.
-dan
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: PaleoChick posted Fri, Oct 30 2009, 1:33pm 
I agree. I think there might be unexplainable evil forces, and if there areI highly doubt anything material of this world can stop them.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Therst posted Fri, Oct 30 2009, 4:53pm 
redrum...redrum....RedRum...pass the rum.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: luna1580 posted Sat, Oct 31 2009, 12:52am 
all cultures that traditionally believed in demons also believed in literal magic and the efficacy of physical charms and the magical properties of certain substances. the belief in demons/spirits and the belief in magic are historically related -and supported by exactly the same types and quantities of "evidence".

if you believe that demons are real entities, who are you to say that they don't respond to ritual and sacred substances? burning herbs, salt, and yes holy waters and oils, all have looooong traditions of having the power to effect the spirit realm. after all, if demons can effect the physical world then the physical world ought to be able to sometimes effect them (in combination with human intent, ritual, and emotions).

not that i'm buying the OP's "demon chupa" post.......
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: FalconStorm posted Sun, Nov 1 2009, 7:11pm 
Luna, I have never had any experiences with demons. All I know is how Jesus and the apostles dealt with them. They didn't rely on herbs or holy water or things made with hands of men but simply used prayer, the name of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome them.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Kronosaurus posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 3:40pm 
Look, I don't care what you call it: Quantum Mechanics, the power of Faith, or Divine intervention, but prayers, no matter what religion or language they are in, be it Native American, Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, whatever, have an effect. I've seen the power of prayer and Faith. If you don't believe in G_d, call it mind over matter. You can call it Allah, Yaweh, Jesus, Sheiba, Creator, whatever, but it works. Scientists have actually shown that electrons act differently when we think about them. This is a scientific fact.
However, I do not believe that there are demonic entities infesting our living realm. I think most "demons" are physical manifestations of our own negative energy. They are potent none the less, but these "beings", i believe, are not traditional "fire and brimstone" demons.
Finally, I must say that the story is quite suspect. It sounds like a young child's short story: My dogs got hurt, but they eventually beat the big, bad monster. I'm sorry, I simply just don't believe you...

Yours Truly,
An opinionated Kronosaurus
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: wolfman2010 posted Fri, Oct 30 2009, 11:22am 
well, here i was think that maybe...just maybe...one of the many sites i've gone to some one would believe me and have some advice. especially one outright called cryptozoology.com. i was obviously mistaken. sorry for wasting all your time.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Nov 1 2009, 3:19am 
well, i'm sorry you feel wasted. but -a serious question- exactly what type of advice were you hoping to find?

based on your own original post you seem to have found an effective way to keep this "demon" from your land and animals, so what more "advice" can we -or anyone- give you?

you've presented the idea and the solution in one: "chupa" is a demon being and doing some version of a catholic/native american/wiccan cleansing with holy water, sage, and salt (way to cover all the bases, good on you!) will banish it from your lands. cool. good discovery.

........so, what more advice do you need?

i am not trying to be mean, simply to understand. and yes, for the record, there are some members here who fully support the idea of "paranormal cryptids". why they haven't rallied around your claim is unknown to me, as i do not personally see any evidence to support that idea. this is a good site, please stay if you have a real interest.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Mark57c posted Fri, Nov 6 2009, 7:40am 
As you pointed out there really isn’t any advice to give. He defeated ‘the demon’ with his own methods. That being said I do believe in angels and demons and paranormal cryptids. The power to defeat demons or control them comes from within a believer otherwise when you are without your ‘holy water’ and salts you are at their mercy… IMO
And I am suspicious of people who make fantastic claims and have empty profiles… None of this accounts details are unique or unknown to those who have studied Fortean literature… So even if genuine the writer should expect some doubt expressed from this group.
Mark
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Geno posted Sat, Oct 31 2009, 4:20pm 
"(for an excellent picture of exactly what i saw, look in the book wierd california, page 97 under bizarre beasts)"

Am I the only person here that finds this sentence a little fishy? Just tells me that he read a book, liked a picture in the book and decided to tell a story around it.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: kearnivorous posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 9:09pm 
to quote myself earlier

"The creature looks exactly like one depicted in a book? "



no you aren't the only one
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: TonyCannon posted Sat, Oct 31 2009, 11:58pm 
After reading your story, I've decided you're either a liar or an idiot. If some animal was killing your chickens consistently, you would have done something other than let them die night after night after night. When I worked in the photo electronics department of a store, one night I played a trick on my manager, who the next day would be working his last day before a two week vacation. I set the alarm for the alarm clock display so that each one was set a minute apart. I set them to go off when I knew the cashier would be on her lunch and the price changer would be on her break. First one went off, he went back and hit 'Sleep'. He walked back to the front of the department, probably stood there for about 15 seconds, and the next alarm went off. He walked to the other end, turned off the ringing alarm, and then went back to the front. Third alarm went off and he walks to the alarm display and unplugs them all.

How do you lose a chicken every night and not sit behind the coop with a shotgun by the third night to unplug all the alarms? So, you're either a liar who made this story up or you're a complete moron who let your chickens die over and over, thereby costing you money. Which is it?

Also, if something like this came to your house consistently and you were able to get that good of a view of it, why not trap it? If you were unwilling to hideout near the chicken coop, you at least knew it was going to be there. Set a trap to capture it.
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Just Joan posted Sun, Nov 1 2009, 6:02pm 
Hmmm.....

I don't have the book, so can't see page 97. Kinda wish you hadn't decided it was a chupacabra. It's more likely to be a known animal (most sightings are). It's just that it is unknown to you and/or is in a strange state of coat or ambulation.

So, you indicate spines and a striped skin. Your sighting was in the night time, right? So shadows come into play based on porch lights, the moon, flashlights, etc. Perhaps it was one or the other? Perhaps the striping effect was only shadows cast by something else, like chickenwire?

I used to be a farm kid. Chickens tend to smell sulfuric, but it gets "forgiven" or ignored because it can't be avoided. Maybe your recognizing the sulfuric smell was due to heightened senses while alarmed at the unusual occurrence.

A cat will stand on it's legs and fight, and will leap a fence and scream.

I don't mind the idea of a demon, but don't care to divulge my reasons. I do suspect the animal that you sighted is real, and not demonic though. Mostly because I figure demons are more keen on messing with people than chickens.

Did it leave tracks? Might you hunt it or bait it?

Welcome to the site! Lots of folks here have seen lots of unusual things. We try to shave with Occam's razor though.

Joan
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: YoungBlood posted Wed, Nov 4 2009, 7:33pm 
Four foot tall, striped, and demonic...if you were a demon wouldnt you drink something other then chicken blood? maybe eat the chicken but come on lol and you cant even take a picture of it, at a far distance would have sufficed?
*sees a ghost and grabs a camera* man where did i leave my lights...move over to the small X, and smile this way! dang thing ran off *grumbles* it ran away
Subject: Re: Chupacabra...is a demon.
From: Andromache posted Mon, Nov 9 2009, 8:38pm 
These sort of 'sightings' continue to irritate me,yet many of this site must find them at lease mildly entertaining or amusing(I do),so they keep posting replies,lol...


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