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Subject: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Fri, Oct 16 2009, 11:48pm 
Hi all. I am here to shamelessly plug my website and make it more known until I can register a domain. I must you IT IS A YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST site so if that bothers you in some way please keep it to yourself, I do not have time to respond to a list of anti creationist rantings. I would love feedback but please keep it clean and polite. So if any of you are interested or bored please feel free to visit my site at
True Dinos - Home

Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock aka cloudyboy87

Subject: Re: New website
From: herdtrackerV2 posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 8:48am 
May I ask what the purpose of a YEC site is? Is it more to provide evidence for Living Dinosaurs or to convert people to Christianity? Is it effective? I would like to know what your hit count is after six months.
Subject: Re: New website
From: herdtrackerV2 posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 9:04am 
Well, are you going to answer my question since it is not an attack? I am serious.
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 10:19pm 
Hi sorry I'm really busy these days. It is predominantly to just put the evidenc out there. I'm not really trying to just convert people to Christianity but if they do thats great but it's their decision. As of right now I can't exactly answer to the effectiveness but then again as I said before I am not trying to just outright convert people as much as just show them evidence. I don't get hardly any hits really but I'm sure after I get domain hosting and its easier to find through searching I will get more.
Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock
Subject: Re: New website
From: Geno posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 11:22am 
If you want feedback, then you shouldn't limit it to positive feedback.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 1:36pm 
Of the 1972 Rines photograph, you write, on your site:

This photo is real and authentic. It was taken in 1972 during the Rines expedition using sonar.

Where is the proof of it being a "real and authentic" image of Nessie?

Links to peer reviewed zoological papers & evidence, please.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 9:43pm 
you know the ica stone in your profile is an admitted hoax, right?

if the lack of wear on the engravings wasn't a red flag that they are recent creations, you can always fall back to the fact that Basilio Uschuya admitted he hoaxed them and you can go to ica today as a tourist and buy one yourself...produced especially to sell to you.

and you want feedback, but only if it's positive? why don't you just post this "announcement" at a known YEC website and only invite those who already agree with you to visit?

falling for hoaxes is no way to show off critical thinking skills and entice non-believers to your side (or site...).

of course, denying every single thing all geologists, geochronologists, biologists, geneticists, anthropologists, paleontologists and cosmologists have ever learned about the age of the earth requires such intense mental gymnastics (or profound ignorance and denialism) that i guess your critical thinking skills should be the least of our worries.

i hope you enjoy your new website. maybe you can advertise with dino-phil?
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 10:33pm 
Wow...a bunch of atheists attacking and mocking me and the evidence for YEC i put forth..Didn't see that coming...
Subject: Re: New website
From: Ursustyrannis posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 10:41pm 
(Rolls eyes) Really? I mean....REALLY?

And by the way, they just pointed you into directions you ought to investigate. Don't just go by your own bias. As it says in the good book. "By My works, you shall know me". By the way, we do have living dinosaurs, they're called birds.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Sat, Oct 17 2009, 10:43pm 
this isn't even close to mocking -it's not mocking, slander, or libel if everything you write is true.

you do deny that the ica stones are a hoax? or did you just not research it?

we can't mock your "evidence" because you haven't got any evidence.

my question was serious, why don't you spread the word about your site on other sites that cater to YECs? or do y'all compete for readership and not share? that would be weird, jesus loved sharing.....

and if you saw this response coming why bother to post here in the first place? i believe there are only around 5 actual YEC members of this site, so who were you hoping to get all the "positive feedback only" from? that is also a genuine question.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 4:31am 
if anyone cares, this has become a duo-posted thread, enjoy! (or ignore, whatever):

the twin in E vs C.....
Subject: Re: New website
From: Phillip O'Donnell posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 10:01pm 
Luna1580,
I have researched, held, and studied some real Ica Stones. There are genuine Ica Stones that depict dinosaurs.

Rebuttal to Skeptics
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Wed, Oct 21 2009, 9:35am 
You link to an article full of assumptions & errors from The Fortean Times as proof of the Ica Stones' authentically portraying relict dinosaurs?

lol
Subject: Re: New website
From: Bearman58 posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 5:51am 
Wow..a bunch of crap from another YEC who has zero evidence-and he didn't expect to be mocked.. Didn't see that coming
Subject: Re: New website
From: john80c posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 6:08am 
If you want feedback you have to accept negative from positive ie we learn from our mistakes
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 6:27am 
Aren't you going to reply to my question, which was neither "mocking" nor "attacking"?

You say on your site that the 1972 Rines Nessie photo is "real and authentic".

Can you tell me where it was authenticated, by whom, & link me to scientifically peer-reviewed papers & evidence to show that the photo portrayed a real animal?
Subject: Re: New website
From: LightZone posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 8:50am 
well i'll say one thing at least he got of his backside and built a website about his beleifs how many of us would be prepared to do it?
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 9:09am 
It's a free-hosted website. He didn't 'build' it, he slotted chunks of text & photos into a pre-existing, 'built' pro-forma site model. He's obviously done a lot of work collating, but he's collated almost all info from other sites, & has knowingly posted info long proved to be incorrect. Thousands of people do it every day - on MySpace, Facebook & other such free sites built ready to hold whatever info you want them to hold. He's also refusing to answer my question on the '72 Rines Nessie image, which he claims to be 'real & authentic'. I've no problems with his work ethic & desire to reflect his beliefs. What I have a problem with is presenting proven hoaxes, obvious Photoshops & unidentified imagery as "real & authentic". And I didn't have a go at him, either.
Subject: Re: New website
From: church posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:11am 
"DURRRRRR everyone who thinks stuff I believe is fake is an athiest DUURRRRRRR!"


You got bookend "Durrrrr"s for that post, it's called constructive criticism you ninny, get over yourself
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 5:14am 
Last I heard, it was only some of the Ica stones that had been admitted hoaxes, after interest in the stones was initially sparked. From what I've read, most of the stones have been dated to be quite old. If you have additional information on the stones, please direct me.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 3:43pm 
Raditz Man, the stones sure are old. The engravings are not...

- The fossil record of the last sixty five million years doesn't show a single "unevolved" dino (you know, plesiosaur, T-Rex, Quetzacoatl, them big reptilian-looking critters). So, there are no surviving unevolved dinos, period.

- Apart from the Ica stones (all thousands of them on a single site!), no other stones, or artifacts, of similar age have been found showing similar engravings. Not a single one. So, the Ica stones are a fake, period.

Were does my reasoning fail?.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:03pm 
I was reading about the engravings, and how they were proven to be quite old. That's the dating I meant. It had something to do with a layer over the engravings, those without the layer were hoaxes, but the ones with it were very old. Some of the non-hoaxed engravings had the dinosaur-like images on them.

That's the information I have, I'm just wondering where I can find more. No offense to you, but I'd like to read what people who have actually held them and studied them have to say - though I can definately understand your reasoning.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 9:07pm 
can you tell us were you read that the engravings (not the undateable rocks) were found to be "old"?
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 11:55pm 
Various place on the net, perhaps wiki, and several books. I believe Jerome Clark and perhaps John Keel have written on the subject.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 1:54am 
Yes, the problem with the web is that sometimes it is hard to ascertain what is fake and what is not. It is easy to write "some of the stones were old", or "my Aunt Mary had a dino pet". I say we must use "common sense". And extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. The burden of the proof is on the one who makes the claim, not on the disclaimer. Living dinos?. I can deny that sitting on my chair. But to prove they exist you MUST show an specimen...or at least, a carcass (not a beluga one). Same for one-of-a-kind artifacts. Like, them million years old spheres with circular grooves around the "equator". They're not man-made bearing balls, but natural artifacts, and there's a process described on how they form. And so on.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 9:11am 
I've read on the subject from several sources, including published books, written by people who have studied the subject. From everything I have read, it would seem that the argument that they are hoaxed is a slightly misinformed one. I am interested in the stones regardless of the outcome, and was asking for a source that would explain the hoax explanation given in this thread.

Living dinos?. I can deny that sitting on my chair.


I never said anything about living dinos. If you must know, I do 100% believe that at one point in history, man and dinosaur walked the earth together. That doesn't necessarily mean that I think they're still alive this very day. The number of artifacts and written accounts in ages past, suggesting that people were looking at and describing dinosaurs intrigues me. In my own opinion there are enough of these artifacts and accounts to justify a study in the subject.

Of course you deny it without batting an eye, because it goes against the current scientific paradigm. I'm one of those people that thinks everything we know is wrong, so I suppose that makes me free to take certain subjects more seriously than other people can.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 12:28pm 
"I'm one of those people that thinks everything we know is wrong"

Be careful, you're using a keyboard that's surely wrong, then. Be careful, you're going to use a car, sooner or later, and it can be wrong, too. And, why tell you about planes?. They can be wrong, of course...your language is wrong, so you'll be unable to transmit your meanings...man, please, surely not EVERYTHING we humans know is wrong !.

OK, when you show me convincing evidence that dinos did not go extinct sixty five million years ago, or that humans were around sixty six million years ago, give or take, I'll believe you. Till then I'll go with what not only is evident, but is also accepted by the 99,99999% of people around, including dinophil and cloudedboy. Deal?.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 3:59pm 
1. Don't be retarded, you know what I mean by everything we know is wrong.

2. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

3. Prove anything to me.

4. I'm done speaking with you, I've been more than fair with my statements. I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm not arguing anything with anybody, I believe what I believe. All I did was ask for information and you're trying to turn it into a back and forth "I'm right you're wrong" discussion. Go fight with somebodyelse. That's the one thing I hate about this place, doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, there's always a couple people that pick apart every little thing you say, then treat it like you're trying to prove something. I'm not. It's supposed to be a discussion on ideas. Some of you are respectful of others opinions even if you disagree. Other's act like Medicine Man and skim through every post looking for a fight.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 4:42pm 
1 Sorry man, I am what I am. "Everything we know is wrong" is a pretty inclusive statement, and I can't possibly discern what specific portion of knowledge you are making reference to. If you are a bit more specific we can maybe discuss, as you say. So, I DON'T know what you mean.

2 OK, good for you. So what?.

3 Mmmmm...nothing can be "proved". Nothing. One can show evidence. But then, my perceptions are not yours...But, why would you want me to prove "anything" to you?. Say, that two plus two on a base ten makes four?.

4 You asked for info and I supplied what I had, now what's your problem?. If you don't want to debate with me, that's OK, your prerrogative. Good for you, Hooray and all that. Have a nice day and may you find gigantic amounts of evidence against the stablishment. May you be blessed and may you win the lotto...
Subject: Re: New website
From: LightZone posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 8:44am 
did you do the artwork yourself?
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 9:38am 
On the site, he says:

"No photos on this site have been taken by me nor do I legally own them. The credits and ownership of pictures belong to those that took/made them."

Yet there are no credits for the photographers in question, by or on the images themselves. This implies that, for instance, with many of the older ones, there ARE no credits, especially the ones that are either obvious hoaxes or have been proven to be hoaxed photos long since they were taken. If this isn't the case, he is in breach of copyright law on a number of occasions & his site runs the risk of being shut down if investigated after due complaints, should any be made.

Credits - True Dinos

As to a lot of the artwork, it looks PC-rendered.
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 2:43am 
Hi "Stu". as of right now this is the closest I could find regarding your question about the Rines photos.
As for the other stuff. I have no photo shopped images or hoaxes on my site. If I believed that somersetting was false I would not present it as evidence. Case in point is the Ica stones. I know that many people regard them as hoaxes but this seems to be in opposition to the fact that they have been tested in several different ways for authenticity and passed every test they were submitted to. And as for the man admitting he faked them, who wouldn't sign the paper saying that they had faked an artifact and got off the hook when if they didn't they would go to prison? And then later retracted his statement about faking them. Yes there are fake ones but they can be easily distinguished from the real ones. You do however have a point about the photo credits, and yes I am working on that because I giving people credit where it is due.
Also, yes you haven't ranted and raved about anything I have said or presented so far and I thank you for being civil about it. And which artwork do you mean is PC rendered?
Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 3:30am 
The main icon (the saurian eye) looks PC-rendered. Nice job, but a bit too much like the cover of a Rodrigo y Gabriela album :~}

Hi "Stu". as of right now this is the closest I could find regarding your question about the Rines photos

But you've not said anything about it. I can assure you, Aaron, as a long-time 'Nessie' follower, that neither the 'flipper' nor 'body' sonar images captured by the Rines team have been declared "real and authentic". It may APPEAR real & authentic to you, & you may believe it's real & authentic. But no-one, including Bob Rines himself, has said it's so. The concensus opinion is that the 'body' shot's most likely an upturned tree stump/clump of wood. The same is true of the 'flipper' image.

There ARE a number of proven hoax photos on your site. I can go through them one by one with you if you like. These were made, obviously, in the days long before the Internet & Photoshop came along, when small-scale, built models were used to pose, sometimes superimposed, as 'dinosaurs'.

Stu
Subject: Re: New website
From: Datu Puti posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 11:19am 
just so you know, you can get a .info domain for a dollar with your parent's credit card. that's less than the cost of a coffee at starbucks. i usually get them from godaddy.com despite my dislike for the company and the way they advertise.

not that i necessarily agree with your views, but i did when i was your age. either way, i strive to encourage younger believers. may your zeal for the Lord be directed by Him to a fruitful ministry. just don't let your interest in fringe topics or your current views on the interpretation of God's Word be manipulated by the enemy to bring division to the Body of Christ.

anyway, as for the site itself, the layout is nice. i know not all of your content is up, so even constructive criticism would be premature. i did notice, though, that it seems geared towards people who already agree with your views. thinking from an outsider's perspective could help you address their questions. also, i appreciate the verse you posted under "for those who would hate believers" or whatever it was, but it certainly runs the risk of just confusing an unbeliever further. but i know your content is still evolving :).

-dan, who also has a web site
Subject: Re: New website
From: FalconStorm posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 12:25pm 
As a fellow believer, Dan, I think you nailed it. The prospect that dinosaurs might be alive is an interesting and nice thought, but it doesn't make a very good evangelism tool.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Guodzilla posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 1:18pm 
(Mutters, sotto voce: "Oh, brother--here we go again")

OKAY . . .
Speaking as a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, FIRM BELIEVER IN GOD >>AND<< IN DARWIN,
I want you, Mr. Cloudyboy, to SPECIFICALLY STATE the PAGE, PARAGRAPH and LINE in Darwin's "The Origin of Species" declaring the theory of evolution to be atheistic, and stating that the premise proves that God does not exist.
Find ANY STATEMENT, ANYWHERE that SPECIFICALLY quoted either Darwin or Alfreed Russell Wallace as proclaiming evolution as atheistic, or anywhere that they themselves stated they were atheists. (They were NOT atheistic, they were Anglican).

Before you do so, however, please be advised that the Darwinian quote that "GOD IS DEAD" was NOT uttered by Darwin, it was penned by Friedrich Nietzsche in his work "The Madman."

Finally, GIVEN THE FACT that evolution was accepted by the Christian Church AND BY ASSOCIATION accepted and endorsed by THE VATICAN, what makes YEC's correct, and all other Christians (including the Pope) mistaken, and by their mistaken beliefs, infidels?

Ignoring or refusing to reply to this post will amount to acknowledgement of inability to comply as well as confirmation of defective knowledge and that your beliefs are in error.
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 3:11am 
How can one believe in what is well known to be the largest Atheist following in mankind's history and claim to follow God? That doesn't make any sense. Eventually one will find that they are impossible to follow them both. They are exact opposites and can only contradict each other. The whole premise of Darwinism is that There is no such thing as God or the super natural and that everything exists due to "natural forces". Regarding the whole "evolution excepted the Christian church and the Vatican" remark. I don't know which church you are referring to but it certainly does not reflect true Christianity and Christians just because a few of them have compromised their faith to please some people that keep pushing their own, opposite religion on everyone. And I do not agree with anything the Pope or Vatican officials or Catholicism in general says or teaches because it has virtually nothing to do with real Christianity. Catholicism teachings are not based on the Bible but on invented traditions and incorporations from other cultures from when Rome conquered other cultures and absorbed them into its own. Honestly I'm getting tired of arguing with people that have already made up their minds so If anyone posts any more questions I may or may not respond. No promises.
Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock
Subject: Re: New website
From: Guodzilla posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:46am 
In other words, the Vatican, the Pope, and every single other religious authority figure is wrong, and you and you alone are right? Bull$#!t.
Basically what you're saying is that you don't believe in anything the Pope or the Vatican says because they don't jibe with your beliefs. That is a circular argument which in the end says and proves nothing, and you know it. You are placing belief in the place of established fact. You are using the intangible to explain the tangible, and in the end explain nothing. Don't you dare go off on this powertrip of condemning Christians who also believe in Darwin, because that is merely a strong example of your own deficient self-regard. You are unsure of your own faith, and so you round on others with the intent to bully them and make you feel better. Well, sir, I will NOT stand for it. You are of the opinion that you and you alone are right, even when the crushing, overwhelming preponderance of FACT, not opinion, maintains that you are wrong. Even other Creationists say you're wrong. Ask Tim LaHaye. The United States happens to be a free country, with a stated set of freedoms, and that includes freedom of belief. In other words, your condemnation of me (either manifestly or implied) as an atheist is completely out of line.

By the way, I set some questions out, and you did not answer a single one. All you did was resort to some proselytizing claptrap as a smokescreen. I wanted a direct quote, and of course, you didn't give me one.
I also said "Accepted," not "excepted." Quit misquoting me.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Guodzilla posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:53am 
One more thing:
If you suggest using the Bible to teach science, that makes about as much f!@#'ing sense as using Shakespeare to teach math.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 12:41pm 
As I said earlier, the Pope and Vatican have nothing to do with Christianity.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 3:25pm 
Of course you're joking, are you not, raditz?. The Catholic one is the only CHRISTIAN Church; the others are heaten infidels...LOL...and some are even Protestants...

Well, don't know about Catholics being right or not, but they sure number more than all the other Christian sects put together..
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:17pm 
Catholicism is not a true Christian belief system. While it is not impossible for a Catholic to be a Christian, Catholicism in the most religious aspect is not Christianity. The same can be said of Jahova's Witness and Mormonism.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 9:13pm 
do we have to do this again?

any person on earth who believes that jesus christ was a divine incarnation of the only true and existing god is a christian. that's the meaning of the word "christian". so catholics would be christians on that basis alone, they think christ is divine, and while they believe in a trinitarian god concept, it's just one god. (they do not think mary or the saints are demigods or anything like that, just people who -being closer to god in heaven- can boost prayers god's way. like passing on a request from the public to president since you are on his staff, that may be weird to you, but it's not polytheism).

further more, of course catholics are christians, they're one of the modern wings of the very first organized and incorporated christian church ever (the other wings are the eastern and oriental orthodox ones -these include the coptic christians-). all other types of christian churches are younger inventions (and all religions are human inventions, which explains why there are so many different ones).

if you've been taught that catholics aren't christians it's probably just because the flavor of christianity you happen to be a part of was itself created in a reactionary movement against the structure of the roman catholic church and/or the political power of the vatican. just because your church doesn't like their church doesn't mean any of you cease to christians unless you either stop believing in the divinity of christ or start adopting polytheistic beliefs (which, to repeat, catholics do not themselves hold).
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:11pm 
If you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and died on the cross for your sins, and you have accepted him as your saviour, thanking him for his deed - then you are a christian.

A Christian does not idolize Mary or Saints, and prays to God. In the strictest sense, a Catholic must confess their sins to a priest in order to get to heaven, and do so often. This is contradictory to what it says in the Bible, and is not part of the true Christian faith.

The Catholic Church originated as a way for the Romans to control the flood of Jesus' followers around the time of His crucifixion.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:24pm 
no, you and catholics just have different opinions about exactly what medium jesus wanted y'all to use to acknowledge your sins and errors. here is a rather eloquent essay about it:

Why Do Catholics Practice Confession of Sins to a Priest


sorry, you're all still christians, you just interpret something differently -and interpreting things in the bible and history of christianity explains why there are 1000s of different christian churches, christians all. you can't prove that any particular interpretation is "more correct" any the others, sorry. study some history of christianity, it's very interesting.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:40pm 
All I can tell you man, is that you can believe all religion is the same if you want. Perhaps you should join one so you can have more people to argue with.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:57pm 
now you are sounding silly.

i am not a "man".

nor do i believe "all religions are the same" -if they were my studies of comparative world religions throughout the ages would have been so very simple!

and i don't need to "join one", i was raised in one, researched it deeply, researched all the others i could find deeply, and found that i could not honestly call myself a believer in any of them. BUT i maintain enough respect for those who do believe that i neither ask them to abandon their own faiths, call some of them "less real" than any of the others, nor do i think it's appropriate to feign belief in any one of them and thus dishonor those believers with a lie of false faith. i just ask they respect my right not believe in any god[s] as much as i respect their right to personally believe, and not try to force any religion into the public sphere. you want to pray at any point in your day? awesome, just don't force me to join you....

do you notice that you have offered no rebuttal to anything of substance i've said? admit you are incorrect, there are A LOT of different types of christians, and they all consider themselves just as "real" as you do your own faith. try having a little respect for that and a little knowledge of the history of religion.....then you won't look so foolish.
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 11:25pm 
p.s. -just look at this as a start:

List of Christian denominations


so, out of curiosity, what particular flavor of christian are you? what possessed you to think your particular sect was the only "real" one? members of all these other versions all think their faith is both christian and real, who are you to say you are correct and all these others are just wrong?

sure, i say that i see no empirical evidence of any of you being right in any provable, testable sense, but you can't judge beliefs against beliefs and say "i've got a hold of the "real" religion and you all don't," you just don't have any way to back that up, and faith is a domain beyond proving anyway.....

only people who doubt their faith -but are afraid to leave it- find comfort in denigrating the faiths of others and thusly feeling "special" about their own convictions. this happens in gangs, in high school/middle school cliques, in political groups, in subcultures, and -yes- in religious groups, the ol' "rip on the out-groups, the dominant/formerly dominant group, or the marginalized (depending on where your own group falls in the social status hierarchy) to feel better about your group and yourself". -it's psych 101, so why not go study that too? (it compliments the history of religions rather well in fact).....
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 11:53pm 
All hail King Pope!
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 1:43am 
Now you're being honest and showing your true colors, raditz...did you take lessons from Hooty?. Your evasion tactics and denial are very much similar to his...
Subject: Re: New website
From: luna1580 posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 2:51am 
uhm, if you'd troubled yourself to read either my profile or any bits of my on-site writings you would know i am an atheist, so i don't trouble myself much about the pope.

and yet you fail to answer a direct question: exactly what denomination/persuasion/flavor of christian ARE YOU? a simple question. no shame in telling the world the precise faith and path to god you are on right? it's the only "true" path, right? so share it with us all! for the glory of christ. really, how dare you deny us the only true path to god? that would be selfish and a sin....

but WHY do you think "your way" of faith is the "only way"?

do you have a background of studying the history of all world religions or even just the (quite complex) history of christianity?

really raditz, if you keep failing to answer these simple questions you look like an ignorant fundie idiot who lacks any answers, which i assume you are not. please prove that you are not that by just answering these simple little questions. thank you.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Guodzilla posted Wed, Oct 21 2009, 6:09pm 
Just so'z you knowz:
I'm an Episcopalian (Anglican in Britspeak), born and raised Catholic. I have had a number of Atheist friends and acquaintances over the years, and I respect them and their rights enough to not preach or try to convert.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 1:41am 
raditz, you're "WRONG", about Catholics, and about topics related with Catholics. Some examples of your ignorance are that you think one "must" confess to a priest to go to Heaven ( being honestly sorry is enough) or that we "idolize" the Virgin and the Saints. To worship idols is a SIN...man, my Great-Aunt Angela is one of the latest Catholic Saints, you know, not that I am a believer in the divinity of Christ anymore. So I should know if we "idolize" my Great Aunt or not. Another interesting piece is that you do not need a priest to baptize; any Catholic can do that, even a non Catholic of honest Faith. It would be interesting to find if one can baptize oneself, maybe one can. Well, of course one can, I mean "lawfully".

You really should learn a little before pronouncing your ex-catedrae opinions about everything. That's friendly free advice.

Eh, eh, my Great Aunt is still uncorrupt, and looks very much like me, and the older I get the more I look just like her...disgustig...good embalming method they used...
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Sun, Nov 8 2009, 4:24am 
"Hail Mary, full of grace"
Subject: Re: New website
From: Algernon Mudd posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:51am 
"The whole premise of Darwinism is that There is no such thing as God or the super natural and that everything exists due to 'natural forces'."

No, it is not. Darwinism states nothing about the existence or nonexistence of God. The two have nothing to do with one another unless you believe that the existence of God somehow precludes genetic change within a species over generations.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Guodzilla posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:56am 
Exactly.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Andromache posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 7:06pm 
You know what,I am disappointed.I was expecting this Aron Tullock fellow to be original,but he seems to have failed to break the standard mold of an irritating,uneducated troll who is willing to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid the facts,and in all probability has never so much as cracked the cover of Origin Of Species.
-'Mache
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:22am 
TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPSLOCK IS HIGHLY ANNOYING AND GIVES ONE THE FORCED PERCEPTION OF LOUD SPUTTERING SPEACH.

Strict Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. That is a common misconception. Evolution is being taught in schools to explain the origin of life on the planet. As the "Theory of Evolution" is almost exclusively taught as fact, and is often associated with Darwin, it is easy to see why it can be such a controversial topic.

Apparently Darwinism and Evolution have their own sense of religion - as expressed by your exclamation: A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, FIRM BELIEVER IN GOD >>AND<< IN DARWIN.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 3:35pm 
OMG, you're serious. Can you explain to me how "strict Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing"?. And how this is relevant?. What do you mean when you claim this?.
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 6:12pm 
Catholicism is a religion based on Christianity. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to Mary, or ask a priest to talk to God for you in order to clear your sins away. They've added their own books to the Bible and base everything around symbolic acts and dogma.

Therefore, attacking a Christian by saying he's contradicting the Pope is a moot point. True Catholicism, like Jahova's Witnesses and Mormons, wear a mask of Christianity, but actually have a completely seperate belief system.
Subject: Re: New website
From: FalconStorm posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 8:26pm 
You're right, raditz. There's much superfluity in Catholicism.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 3:40am 
Who is attacking a Christian here?.

Man, Catholicism is as Christian as any of the other sects following Christ.
Again you're wrong about what Catholics believe about confession and the "cleaning" of sins, and about preaching to the Virgin or the Saints. But clutch to your delusions, man. You just don't know what you're talking about.

A "Christian", in the end, is one who follows "Christ's" teachings. Not the Bible's. I say. So if you want to get literal, don't mention te Bible here. The Bible (or rather the Gospels) speak about Christ, but is NOT Christ. Right?.

I for one was a Catholic because I was raised one, and while right now I reckon ALL the sects are wrong, one way or the other, I am still a fan of Jesus (or rather, of my idea of Jesus). Not that I believe He was God. No need for that, he was an exceptional human being. Who needs a Bible God when we humans invented it?. And man, the OT is quite a different can of worms than the Gospels. The Good News they're called, and for a reason; a change.

That was a nice little rant, yes Siree...from my point of view, a nice mental salad you have mixed, raditz. Almost as twisted as mine own...
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 2:30pm 
Nice, homely site, Dan.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Datu Puti posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 9:14pm 
haha, it is somewhat homely i guess. i'm more of a programmer than an artist. thanks!
-dan
Subject: Re: New website
From: Vila posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 4:58pm 
Hey guys guess what?! I'm here to pimp out my site and get feedback on it....... but only if you agree with me!

-- You see where the logic falls apart there? Just saying.

Subject: Re: New website
From: Tyranid Broodlord posted Sun, Oct 18 2009, 10:20pm 
...

for when words fail to express how dumb that site was, but still thanks for wasting 2 minutes of my life
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 5:58am 
I am a Christian. I do not believe in YEC or it's purpose.

I believe that some mainstream scientific theories about the origins of life are nothing more than guesses, built upon the backs of other guesses, with little to no true evidence. I do not put complete faith in a science book, or any man. I have faith in God, and in the Bible.

YEC, in my view, is just an attempt to combat science by using science. The opinions and theories therein, riddled with a large amount of flaws and guesses itself. In my faith, I believe that God is perfect, and unchanging. Theories are forever changing and imperfect. Much of YEC bases itself upon false information and known/obvious hoaxes.

I believe YEC to be a tool of destruction. I believe the Bible to be the only true written word of God, and that people choose to believe by faith alone. No amount of scientific evidence or proof will make a believer out of anyone if they don't have faith. You can't force faith upon anybody, they'll either accept it or deny it. With much of YEC being based upon theories with no evidence and lies, it becomes something seperate, requiring a faith of it's own, and turns people away from God. It seems to have become a religion of it's own.

I strongly suggest quenching your curiosity for life's mysteries with something else.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Dick Raynor posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 7:47am 
Hello Aaron,
In the matter of Dr Rines' photographs I can confidently tell you that both the interpretation and even the basic details on your website are seriously inaccurate. I know because I was there - actually here,since I am writing this from Temple Pier, when the events took place.

Having seen how events which happened only 35 or so years ago can be misrepresented I fear for the rest of your data. Your site is extremely slow to load, but I can tell you that the multiple photographs of the Russian mosasaur actually shows a beluga. DR

for more images go to... http://www.skullsunlimited.com/beluga_whale_skull.html
Subject: Re: New website
From: MikeK posted Mon, Oct 19 2009, 7:01pm 
cloudboy, neat site, some mis-information as you have been told, but still a cool site, i am not going to make fun of it or you, no reason to, just listen to what everyone is typing, you know, get the facts 100% and then things will change, in the mean time hang in there, i like your site, just needs some tweaking.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Phillip O'Donnell posted Tue, Oct 20 2009, 9:46pm 
Hey Aaron,
I saw your site and looks like your getting off to a good start. Perhaps you should write about your sighting? If you have any questions feel free to give me a call.
God Bless,
-DinomanPhil
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Wed, Oct 21 2009, 9:30am 
Don't you agree that some of the images on his site purporting to portray real animals are, in fact, hoaxes which have been categorically shown to be so?
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Sat, Oct 24 2009, 6:55am 
Good; first Phil, now Clouded. Sinergy effect to the max...

I asked Phil and told that there's no hoax around here...only scepticism from us heaten atheists.
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:43am 
Hi Phil. thanks. for the kind words. But I've actually found a better site builder for now so soon my site sill be Truedinos.webnode.com. But that may be a few more days but hopefully not too long. And yes my girlfriend and I are planning to write a book eventually, hopefully we can start within the next year.
Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock
Subject: Re: New website
From: raditz posted Sun, Oct 25 2009, 2:31pm 
Any comments on me explaining how I believe that trying to prove God with science is wrong? There's more than enough proof around us. Anybody not willing to see it isn't going to buy your science, let alone the fact that much of it is indeed based on hoaxes and misrepresentations.
Subject: Re: New website
From: PaleoChick posted Sun, Oct 25 2009, 2:36pm 
You said on your site I quote "Evolution has in fact never been observed". I'm curious, have you ever read the Origin Of Species? We do see evolution. Dog breeds are the result of evolution through the process called artificial selection.

I have nothing against your belief in creationism. My problem is people judging things they do not understand. Do your research, learn the facts, then make an educated decision.
Subject: Re: New website
From: PaleoChick posted Sun, Oct 25 2009, 2:38pm 
And I'm curious, if you do not believe in evolution how do you explain things like homologous structures? Did you even do enough research to answer that?
Subject: Re: New website
From: Rainbow Medicine Man posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:15am 
Hullo,Paleo. I bothered looking at the site and explains that the C-14 method is used to date million of years...and things like that. Hopeless.
Subject: Re: New website
From: lowredx posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 1:49pm 
Just glanced through this entire post and as usual it proves that neat dino stuff is a very good way to recruit kids to fringe religions. I'm glad my young niece is into fairies and the YECs have not figured out a way to find them hidden in the bible somewhere.
Subject: Re: New website
From: hunter_x posted Wed, Oct 28 2009, 4:36pm 
Impressive site. Though I can't help but think of this one sauropod in Australia... The name escapes me though, it's said to stalk the outback at night, larger then a man with huge black eyes. If you could add a bit on that, that'd be cool. Other than that very good job on the site!
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Fri, Oct 30 2009, 6:00am 
Hi hunter. Thank you. And do you think you could give me the name of the creature your reffering to? It sounds familiar but I can't think of its name either.
Thank you and God bless
Aaron Tullock
Subject: Re: New website
From: hunter_x posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 3:50pm 
Afraid I can't give you much more then what I've told you already. Sorry. I'd like to add it to my Catalogue of Cryptids but I couldn't remember it's name, that's why I asked you in the first place.
Subject: Re: New website
From: malibese posted Tue, Nov 3 2009, 11:39am 
I have no intention of converting to any religion since I don't have one, But I do wish you luck on the site and I do plan on visiting. Its good to see other sites and sides of the coin, Best of Luck and as one person put it, be ready for negative feedback also, hopefully it will be constructive.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Odagled posted Sun, Nov 8 2009, 1:01am 
Speaking of which whatever happened to that dino kid
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Mon, Nov 9 2009, 7:25pm 
Are you talking about Phil O'Donnell? I think hes been pretty busy with stuff, plus I'm sure hes kind of fed up with being attacked on here.
Subject: Re: New website
From: TonyCannon posted Mon, Nov 9 2009, 8:58pm 
It's only an "attack" if you don't have a reasonable answer. Otherwise, it is a "valid point".
Subject: Re: New website
From: Odagled posted Wed, Nov 11 2009, 1:13pm 
Oh I guess someone would get fed up with being attacked all the time.
Subject: Re: New website
From: cloudyboy87 posted Wed, Nov 11 2009, 2:32pm 
Ya, that's why I rarely respond on here anymore unless its just someone with pleasant conversation.
BTW I'm adding stuff to my new site almost everyday, I even have some fun polls you can vote on if your bored lol.
Subject: Re: New website
From: Stu posted Fri, Nov 13 2009, 10:19am 
You don't respond because you can't answer many of the qusetions. Such as mine, above. Still waiting.


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