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Subject: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: N. Mihalos posted Fri, Sep 25 2009, 10:36pm 
Some scientists have concluded that man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances in order to hunt down prey. We have springy tendons in our legs and feet that store energy and release it efficiently. Our thin waist and relatively large butt muscles help keep us upright and stable. More important, our hairlessness, sweat glands and ability to breathe through our mouths enable us to run in heat and over longer distances better than animals that get rid of excess heat by panting.

Distance running has also enabled us to maintain contact with other tribes and to spread information. (Indeed, the first Olympic marathon celebrated Pheidippides' purported run in 490 B.C. from Marathon to Athens to bring news of a Greek victory over the Persians.)

But the husky and Arabian horse wouldn't run long distances if not pushed to do so. Animals run because they have to — to eat or avoid being eaten. Man is the only animal that runs simply to do it. Our large brains can convince our frail bodies to keep moving regardless of cost. We may not be the fastest animals, but we can run ourselves into the ground for sport, exhausting our food supply, and making ourselves susceptible to disease, injury and death. That's a feat no pronghorn can touch.

Cameron Stracher: Can Humans Run as Fast as Animals? - WSJ.com

The Human Spark | Running = Big Brains? | PBS

Under the right circumstances, humanoids can outrun any animal on the planet. Distinctive features like Achilles tendons, knee joints or sweat glands make us the finest running organisms on Earth. Our very survival depended on this for millions of years, since we used to hunt and chase our prey in Africa's savannas. Unlike animals, humans, who lack abundant fur, don't gasp in order to dissipate heat, but use their millions of sweat glands. This may be the evolutionary result of having to cope with sun heat when forest habitats were traded for arid savannas. Lieberman also demonstrated that, contrary to the popular belief, running is almost entirely different from walking and the traits he discovered proved that we are more skilled in running than in walking.

Man is the only runner without a balancing tail. The answer lies in compensating this by moving the head, torso, and most importantly, the rear. Together with moving the arms forwards and backwards, this prevents falling in the process. Running animals don't use the same body parts and techniques for loping. As further proof of his theory, Lieberman also states that only runners evolve big tendons. The neck, he says, is very important as well, since, unlike that of, say, chimps, it lets our shoulders twist independently of the head.

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Now you wouldn't believe me if I told you, but I could run like the wind blows. From that day on, if I was ever going somewhere, I was running!
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Loreweaver posted Fri, Sep 25 2009, 11:01pm 
I have to try and find it but at some point there was a paper written proving that it was impossible to run a certain distance in under a certain amount of time. i forget the details but it had to do with formulas involving lung capacity, size of thigh muscle, etc. all of the data was correct and at the time it was a valid and sound scientific proof. now, however, that record has since been broken just as the marathon is now a weekend activity whereas the first man to run one was killed from doing it.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: herdtrackerV2 posted Sat, Sep 26 2009, 8:31am 
Well, he was in a hurry.

Second, this data seems to conflict with the growing number of people I have met who have to stop running because their knees are going bad.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Ursustyrannis posted Sat, Sep 26 2009, 5:19pm 
That could be due to running with shoes and the surface they've been running on.
Swimming will be a better excersice for them, no pressure on joints and all their
muscles will be worked out.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 7:52pm 
it's because they run in overly-developed shoes. our feet evolved to run barefoot, possibly supplemented with a thin, flat sole protection that doesn't restrict to toes. everything from how our feet hit the ground to the strength of our arch changes when we weaken our feett w/"advanced" shoes.

Barefoot Running

Barefoot Ted's Adventures

Leather Huaraches, the Tarahumara running sandal.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Geno posted Sat, Sep 26 2009, 12:04am 
Dunno man, I wouldn't want to have to outrun a cheetah.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: N. Mihalos posted Sat, Sep 26 2009, 6:11am 
Cheetahs are designed for short bursts of speed, it couldn't run a mile like you can.

nick - who once could run a mile, can't even get out of the starting gate now-a-days.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Geno posted Sat, Sep 26 2009, 12:02pm 
If I saw a cheetah and started running, I'm sure it would be on my tail. Despite being pretty fast, to me a 70 mph burst of speed would catch me.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: kittenz posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 10:11am 
But you wouldn't have to worry, because cheetahs don't go chasing after people.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Geno posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 10:28am 
Just Sayin'
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: herdtrackerV2 posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 11:30am 
I think this report draws a bad conclusion. It ignores the five toes on your feet and the soft tendons underneath. Without rubber soles, how far could a human get without injury?
Second, where is the evidence that humans ever ran to hunt?
They used trickery, weaponry, and riding other animals. It does not seem that humans ran to hunt, it seems more likely they would run to get away.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: TonyCannon posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 12:22pm 
I agree. The main thing that separates "us" from "them" is our brains, not our speed. Humans are ridiculously slow when compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. When was the last time a hunter ran down a deer?
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: hroth posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 2:42pm 
It's relatively easy for a hunter to run down a deer, over the course of a day. Again - deer are good for short distances, but dogs and people can jog all day long.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: TonyCannon posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 3:40pm 
Dogs? You mean the creatures humans trained to hunt for them?

I've never, ever heard of a hunter running down a deer under any circumstances. Actually, no one else has, either. Google search results:

"hunting a deer with a knife" - 1 result

"killing a deer with a knife" - 6 results

"hunting a deer by hand" - 0 results

"killing a deer by hand" - 5 results

If it were relatively easy, wouldn't more people be doing it?
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: badger man posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 4:10pm 
I've heard that the Kalahari bushmen hunt antelope on foot which we'd all agree are pretty fast.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: TonyCannon posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 5:26pm 
Slight jogging and/or walking for 5 hours isn't what I'd call "running something down". And evolutionarily speaking, when was the last time someone in Steve Prefontaine's family had to run down an antelope in such a manner? If this were due to an evolutionary need, I'd think we'd have lost most of the Gift long, long ago.

If anything, it's probably just a biological bi-product of our physiology; a coincidence.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: hroth posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 8:28pm 
Family history form my Osage ancestors says that was done before we had horses.

A number of old articles come up when I search 'can humans run down deer.'
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 8:45pm 
tony, the most recent humans to hunt in this way are the tarahumara, an indigenous group from northern mexico. google them, or just follow any of the links i've added throughout this thread......

it's not "easy", but there is some evidence supporting it.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: hroth posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 9:11pm 
Apache, too - pick anyone late to get horses, or lived in areas where horses weren't so useful, like mountains.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Rangoon posted Tue, Sep 29 2009, 3:44pm 
Tony the major means of adaptation for survival in humans is through the creation of artifacts.

When was the last time a hunter ran down a deer?

In what an f250 or a 4x4 quad artifact?
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: lowredx posted Wed, Oct 7 2009, 12:27am 
Ran down or ran over?
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Dante_Apollyon posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 12:24pm 
The Tarahumaras' word for themselves, Raramuri, means "runners on foot" in their native tongue according to some early ethnographers like Norwegian Carl Lumholtz, though this interpretation has not been fully agreed upon. With widely dispersed settlements, these people developed a tradition of long-distance running for intervillage communication and transportation. The long-distance running tradition also has ceremonial and competitive aspects. Often, male runners kick wooden balls as they run in "foot throwing" competitions, and females use a stick and hoop. The foot throwing races are relays where the balls are kicked by the runners and relayed to the next runner while teammates run ahead to the next relay point. These races can last anywhere from a few hours for a short race to a couple of days without a break. The Tarahumara also practice persistence hunting, using their ability to run extremely long distances (sometimes as far as 160 km) to catch animals such as deer; the animals eventually tire and slow down, and the Tarahumara get close enough to the animal to kill it. See "Born to Run" by Christopher McDougall (published 2009-05-05) which deals with the Tarahumara's participation in long distance races in the USA.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 7:43pm 
i was just going to suggest that exact book!

Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen : Christopher McDougall
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: luna1580 posted Sun, Sep 27 2009, 8:08pm 
you are wrong. think about how long the human foot evolved unshod and later with a minimal sole protection (see pic above). we've only been wearing "advanced" shoes with lifted heels and all kinds of "shock absorbing" materials for a few hundred years, and the "advanced" running shoes for less than fifty. 100's of thousands of years went into refining a foot shape that works best without all that stuff.

this website is am amazing resource for barefoot running and even people running barefoot ultra marathons: Barefootted.com

it also contains a lot of information about the tarahumara people of mexico, the only people in modern times who claim the ability to "run down" game with-in their own recent history, they are still amazing runners...

Tarahumara
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: herdtrackerV2 posted Mon, Sep 28 2009, 8:04pm 
Odds are looking that I am wrong. It must be one of those areas that was glossed over as boring in the history books.
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: spoOklight posted Mon, Sep 28 2009, 8:31pm 
I heard somewhere from various biologist friends that the human spine is still not fully capable of supporting us a a "true" upright walking species. That's why so many people have herniated discs and other back injuries compared to other animals. Has anyone else heard this before?
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: EastTxSwamp posted Thu, Oct 1 2009, 1:13pm 
Don't people who grow up without shoes have naturally broader feet caused by their environment? I used to run 8 miles a day, 13 on Saturdays, but I was wearing good Nikes. I used to pass a group of ROTC guys every morning before dawn, and they were doing the same run (the other way) as I was doing, but with combat boots on. My point is, can the feet of our species (and the knees for that matter) adapt to a variety of conditions?

Swamp (who now only runs from the porch to the cooler)
Subject: Re: Man is evolutionarily adapted to running long distances
From: Rangoon posted Mon, Oct 5 2009, 12:01pm 
Vibram's FiveFingers foot gloves runaway hit

I thought this was an interesting twist.


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