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Subject: Does anyone remember... From: Jenn-y posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 3:16pm  In the late 90s, I saw a program on television that showed some newly discovered deer species from south-east asia, i believe there were 3 of them. One of them was a tiny little antelope type with gill-like flaps on either side of its snout. Did anyone else see that? I've been searching the internet and I cannot find a single mention of this species!!! Can someone please help me? I have a friend who happened to have seen it too, so I know I wasn't just imaging it. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: kybrowncoat posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 5:47pm  Was it the leaf deer, or leaf muntjac? Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: busterggi posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 5:58pm  Sounds like the muntjac but I don't recall any documentaries specifically about them. The time & place are right. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: DiJiT posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 7:22pm  Is this what you were looking for Jenn? Muntjac Can't remember what the other two were called, but I do remember them being mentioned on TV.....Not an entire show on them, but they were mentioned in passing. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: Jenn-y posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 8:27pm  I don't think so. in my memory the flaps were much bigger, covering almost the entirety of each side of the muzzle. And it specifically mentioned they were used for breathing. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: herdtrackerV2 posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 10:25pm  Not muntjac. Zoologists knew about muntjacs in the mid 1990's. They had a population in Silver Springs, Florida by then already. I was on vacation at the time. She's talking about the fanged deer they found over in Vu Quang in Vietnam. Let me go looking for an article. I can't remember the magazine I was reading. Seems like it would have been Newsweek or National Geographic. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: herdtrackerV2 posted Wed, Jan 25 2006, 10:34pm  "The pseudoryx (saola) - A new species of cow discovered in 1992 in the Vu Quang forest of Vietnam. It looks like a 3-foot tall goat although it is more closely related to cattle. It was first identified from bones and hides from 20 specimens. Then in 1994 two young live specimens were caught and sent to a zoo in Hanoi. Unfortunately they died soon after arrival. The first adult was captured and brought to a zoo in Laos in January 1996, and died 16 days after capture, apparently from starvation. Various expeditions have tried without success to find the animal in the wild. Vietnam is one of Asia's biologically richest countries, and the Vu Quang forest has also revealed several new species of fish. " Citation Random site I found Pseudoryx nghetinhensis Well, that should be a good start. Keep in mind, the Internet wasn't what it was back then. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: madscience posted Thu, Jan 26 2006, 2:04am  I think she is referring to the Saiga Antelope. Jen, do a google image search and see if that is what you are referring to. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: nimravus posted Thu, Jan 26 2006, 12:47pm  This link give you all the answers. Not one, but three new muntjac species were discovered in the region. http://www.animalinfo.org/species/artiperi/megavuqu.htm And the elusive Vietnamese whartog still waits to be captured. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: herdtrackerV2 posted Thu, Jan 26 2006, 2:18pm  All right, I was a little harsh. I was under the impression that muntjac referred to a single specific species. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: Jenn-y posted Thu, Jan 26 2006, 4:12pm  yes, it was the Saola. I remember that the Saiga Antelope was also on that program. That one I thought had more of a trunk :). Thanks everyone for your help, now people can believe me. Subject: The Vu Quang ox. From: Viashino posted Thu, Jan 26 2006, 10:35pm  Heh, bad memories. This comes up every so often on forums, with people claiming there's a deer that breathes through gill flaps on their muzzles. The animal is actually the Vu Quang ox. http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Pseudoryx_nghetinhensis.html "Themaxillary glands, located just in front of the eye, are extremely well developed (Dung et al., 1993; Dung et al., 1994). Indeed, Robichaud (1998) suggests that the saola may have the largest maxillary-preorbital gland of any extant mammalian species. The fleshy external part of the gland comprises a rectangular, shallow depression along the upper muzzle measuring approximately 9 cm long by 3.5 cm wide by 1.5 cm deep (Robichaud, 1998). This gland secretes a thick, grayish-green paste with a foul, pungent odor reminiscent of the musk of mustelids (Robichaud, 1998). Covering this depression is a muscular flap 0.8 cm thick, which can be raised like an awning to expose the gland (Robichaud, 1998). This unusual flap of skin has been misinterpreted in the common media, with the result that the saola is sometimes referred to as an antelope with "gills". " You won't find much else of use online beyond this - there's a bit of misinformation out there, specifically claims the name is "Cetaformia anthalopus".. this is someone's doggerel, translating to "antelope whale-form". And thus, useless. V. V. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: Furball posted Fri, Jan 27 2006, 12:52am  the show you're thinking of was Sightings.. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: lucky_strike posted Sat, Jan 28 2006, 10:55pm  The show was called "Beyond Belief" I saw your post and went through my old tapes and found it. Subject: Re: Does anyone remember... From: dehart posted Sat, Jul 29 2006, 10:10pm  I find it interesting that these "new discoveries" are in fairly well populated areas, and the locals have pretty much always known about them (probably been eating them)....kinda like how Hillary gets credit for the first to climb Everest, but he had to hire Tenzig Norgay as a "guide."

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