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Subject: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Road Less Traveled posted Fri, May 27 2005, 12:04am  M.K. Davis has been doing some incredible work with the PG film. In the first article of this installment of The Monster Hunter Newsletter, he shows Patty clearly drops to all fours. The rest of the newsletter is a good read as well. Some say this explains tracks that end. They say when BF goes quadrapedal, they stop leaving the normal bipedal tracks. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: (profile name not found) posted Fri, May 27 2005, 12:48am  "They say when BF goes quadrupedal, they stop leaving the normal bipedal tracks." Shoot! Of course they would, iffen they were real and actually went from bipedal to quadrupedal. And what kind of a bupkiss of a tracker would be fooled by this kind of foolishness? Disappearing tracks are either a hoax or something else, but that something else ain't a real, live critter, iffen that something else actually exists. McCall - lookin' around for a bottle of bourbon (grin) Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Road Less Traveled posted Fri, May 27 2005, 1:03am  I still say UFOs beam them up (grin). Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here... Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: (profile name not found) posted Fri, May 27 2005, 2:07am  Well I'll be! So she does for a few seconds at least. WOW! Amazing. Now how often do you think they can walk upright or quadrapedal for? Do you think she was trying to hide maybe? Hundreds of questions about this now. Thanks RLT. Unfortunately I'll have to catch up with this on Monday though :( Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 10:23am  As far as disappearing tracks, quadrupedalism is the only thing that could accont for some of these reports. The body weight would be distributed over a larger area when on all 4's, and thus the imprints may appear to disappear if an animal went from 2 legs to 4. This would only me applicable for certain types of terrain though. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Hetzer posted Fri, May 27 2005, 3:15am  Here's my take on this. Patty going quadrupedal may not be as strange as it seems, yet no less interesting regardless. My first thought was that if going up a rise, or even beginning to go up a rise, as she reaches the actual embankment, it is far quicker to bend over and, using hands and feet together, scurry up the side. I think we have probably all done that as kids, gone up hills and such using all of our limbs for motivation, and I'll tell you this, when I was a kid, I almost always went upstairs on all fours, pulling myself up each stair while pushing with my legs. And when I was in a particular hurry, going up stairs that way was considerably quicker. The other reason that comes to fore is the fact that she may be attempting to hide. Let's face it, Sasquatch is the ultimate animal that can keep hidden no matter the fact that it is a huge hairy beast. This may be one of it's tricks, and no one would suspect that a 7 foot tall(or whatever Patty is) creature could just disappear in grass and scrub brush. But she obviously wanted to get away from the strange humans ASAP, and as soon as she was no longer in the open, she might have went right down into the bushes and scampered away. Quradrupedal? Sure, and sometimes I am as well. Her long arms suggest that she has the capability to do that rather comfortably, at least for a limited time because she is so adept at being upright, which makes it difficult to believe that her advanced bipedal locomotion skills would be a secondary form of travel. And so it goes! --Hetzer-- Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Gerry Bacon posted Fri, May 27 2005, 6:34am  Been thinking on this. First of all, I'm not sure the stills are conclusive at all but let's assume they do show Patty going quadrapedal. I've got some thoughts on this. First, if going quadrapedal is supposed to be faster, why doesn't she do that sooner, when she's caught in the open? Perhaps she remains bipedal to improve her vision, to better keep an eye on Patterson and Gimlin. I think that, if they exist, bigfoot are probably more sight oriented than either smell or hearing oriented. I'm not sure what olfactory powers other great apes have but I don't believe it's anything comparable to other animals. Also, their tiny ears don't show the tuning capacity (ability to orient toward sound) that we see with animals that depend on the hearing a great deal. I admit this is all speculation on my part. But if bigfoot is sight dominant as opposed to the other senses, it would make sense that an upright, bipedal stance would improve their vision and upright would be the preferred stance in a potential crisis situation. There is also the possibility, since she seems to be heading into timber, that quadrapedal locomotion may be more advantageous as the undergrowth may not be as thick at a lower level. Instead of bulling her way through thick brush, by dropping to all fours, she may be able to move underneath a lot of it. But then that raises the question for me of how, considering the bulkiness and apparent lack of neck flexibility, she would be able to look around her? I would think her range of vision would be extremely limited and pretty much confined to the ground in front of her. Which may be fine for her if she feels she's made it to safety. I'd be interested to hear what Brad and Will have to say about this. Gerry Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Will Duncan posted Fri, May 27 2005, 9:50am  While the film frames are suggestive of Patty going down on all fours, I agree that they are not conclusive. But I've been told by witnesses that BF does this while hunting (to the point of flattening its hips on the ground and snaking along), negotiating inclines and while hiding. Part of its battery of stealth skills may be shape changing, but not the way the paranormalists mean. It gets bigger or smaller, moves under thick brush, and freezes as the situation warrants. But Gerry has a good point about its head arrangement. The great apes have different head/neck configuration than we do, and they also have longer arms and shorter legs than Patty, relatively. The result its that they can see just fine on all fours, and their long arms keep their head elevated as they move. Perhaps Patty's lack of neck mobility is confined to lateral movement, though. It could be that, despite the bulky and restrictive trapezius muscles she appears to have, her head may be perfectly capable of rolling up and back, even to greater degree than ours do. After all, presumably she has a relatively smaller cranium, so skull size would not be as big as obstacle for this manuever as it is for us. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 10:25am  Perhaps Patty's lack of neck mobility is confined to lateral movement, though. It could be that, despite the bulky and restrictive trapezius muscles she appears to have, her head may be perfectly capable of rolling up and back, even to greater degree than ours do. After all, presumably she has a relatively smaller cranium, so skull size would not be as big as obstacle for this manuever as it is for us. Good points, Will. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 11:00am  Gerry, I don't think Patty is necessarily going down to all 4's to walk, but possibly to pick up a stone? Check out these enhancements. It looks like she is holding a stone in her hand. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 11:01am  Above Images Credit: M.K. Davis Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: biggerfoot posted Fri, May 27 2005, 11:26am  That photo has been messed with. The whole thing is blurry, except for the fingers/stone/hand/whateveritis. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 11:58am  yeah.. sure.. why don't you go crawl back in to the hole that you came from. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: biggerfoot posted Fri, May 27 2005, 2:09pm  intelligent rebuttal. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Mr.Cannon posted Fri, May 27 2005, 5:59pm  doesn't look messed with to me Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Gerry Bacon posted Tue, May 31 2005, 1:40pm  My thanks to Brad and Will. Like I said, I'm not sure about anything that I said. Just some random thoughts. Will makes some great points, as always. And so does Brad. I was just speculating on the 'why' they would go quadrapedal and yes, it does make sense for certain situations. Even human hunters have a tendency to hunch over when staking game to lower the upright silohuette (sp). For a creature that must get within arms length, so to speak, the ability to lower themselves to nearly ground level would be advantageous. Gerry Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Z.Z. posted Fri, May 27 2005, 12:10pm  "Her long arms suggest that she has the capability to do that rather comfortably, at least for a limited time because she is so adept at being upright, which makes it difficult to believe that her advanced bipedal locomotion skills would be a secondary form of travel." Bipedalism is our third form of travel. ;D Our first form of travel is rolling which we begin to do shortly after birth. Our second form of travel is crawling, quadrupedal, but we do it on our knees not our hind feet. Our third form of travel is walking bipedally, which then becomes our primary mode of travel but we still retain the ability to crawl and roll as secondary forms of travel as well. At the end of the PG film Patty is going up an embankment which is much easier to do on all fours, I know because I do it all the time. :) BFs longer arm ratio makes it easier for them to go quadrupedally than it is for us, they live in the forest in the mountains so their environment demands that they retain this ability, humans live in flatter areas, our environment does not demand that we have the ability to comfortably go on all fours. So I agree with you, bipedalism is BFs primary form of travel, and quadrupedalism is their secondary form of travel and they are built to do it comfortably. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Hetzer posted Fri, May 27 2005, 3:19am  One more thing, even if she turns into a quadruped, it would seem to make her easier to track. Now there are 2 distinctive types of prints to follow, fingers and toes (or fists if the hand gets balled up), and unless we are talking like a spiritual voodoo type Sasquatch, prints don't end except where they can't be made anymore.--Hetzer-- Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: bigfootmagnet posted Fri, May 27 2005, 9:33am  Birds leave tracks that end. Do birds go quadrapedal? Obviously not. Now what could bigfoot, birds and the spirits of dead internet chat room morons have in common? All have phases that do not touch the ground. The former two become interdimensional orbs that can be photographed as described in "How to Photograph the Paranormal" by Leonore Sweet (Amazon.com for about $5). The last being the flight phase via wings. So you boys can prove the existence of Orbs to yourself, instead of acting stupid in an internet chat room. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Will Duncan posted Fri, May 27 2005, 1:24pm  So far we know that birds can fly; that's a reproduceable and readily observable fact. Spirits of the dead (morons or otherwise) can not be observed and studied, so as far as science goes they don't exist. They also leave no physical traces. Rather than "phase shifting" or whatever, an understandable model of human death looks more like combustion, in which a thing with measurable physical presence (like a person) undergoes a change which destroys it physical integrity and results in its disappearance from physical reality, never to return. Whether or not this is correct, it is what scientific principles indicate. Maybe we just don't know enough yet, but there we are. For BF (or UFO's, or the gizmo on Star Trek that beams people up, or whatever) to do what you insist it is doing, there has to be some mechanism or physical law in place which allows the reintegration of the physical entity into its previous state following obliteration. There is no proof that such a mechanism or physical law exists. Subatomic theory may suggest some unusual things, but they are poorly understood and there is no evidence of them having any bearing in the macro world of physical reality. Unlike human ghosts, BF leaves behind footprints, hair, scat, and a few clear pictures in broad daylight. This suggests to me that we need to look for a little more down to earth solution than interdimensional phase shifting, whatever that may be. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Karl posted Fri, May 27 2005, 1:45pm  Interdimensional phase shifting occurs while standing on one leg, placing the index finger of the right hand on the crown of the head, holding the nose shut with the left hand, and blowing out of your ears. Oh, and spitting, I almost forgot that. You must spit a certain direction and distance to determine your destination. The 'whats' and 'hows' of that are quite complex I fear. All the above is the true and correct way, not to be confused with the proverbial myth of clicking ones heals together and repeating, "There's no place like home".... Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Will Duncan posted Sat, May 28 2005, 3:24pm  Exactly. It's not a new problem. Without a testable premise, opinions like BFM's are indistinguishable from psychosis. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Gondwana posted Sat, May 28 2005, 1:34pm  OK, you're on a mission here, and it seems difficult for you to respect anyone contesting the gospel according to you and/or the author of "The Psychic Sasquatch" - if you're not one and the same person, anyway. Since I am so much concerned about the peace of your troubled soul, I have a suggestion for you. Considering that the company of "internet chat room morons" like me and others hurts you that much, why don't just switch to another dimension and leave us stupid folks alone? You'd do yourself a great favour - think about all that hypertension, etc. Have a safe travel, wherever you're going. Gondwana Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Karl posted Sat, May 28 2005, 4:03pm  I truly hope he/she doesn't take you up on that Gondwana. BFM is the most entertaining part of these forums. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Hetzer posted Sun, May 29 2005, 11:47pm  As THEE internet chat room moron whose message you are directly responding to, it takes one to know one, doesn't it? And since I don't know anyone who is, you must be, but that's just an interdimensional hypothesis.--Hetzer-- Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 10:26am  One more thing, even if she turns into a quadruped, it would seem to make her easier to track. Refer to my response to McCall. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Brad posted Fri, May 27 2005, 10:20am  Thanks a lot, RLT. I mentioned this to Will and someone else a few threads down, but I forgot to post it. I have a gif animation of Patty going down to all 4's. Its too big a file to post here, so if anyone wants it let me know and I'll send you an email. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: biggerfoot posted Fri, May 27 2005, 11:28am  Bunk. She's not quadraped. She is going downhill into the woods. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Zanzibar posted Fri, May 27 2005, 12:57pm  brad, Id love to see that footage you got. bangingfreak@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Ego posted Fri, May 27 2005, 2:02pm  One more thing, even if she turns into a quadruped, it would seem to make her easier to track That must be why there have been so many successful BF hunts Huh? I do agree that a huge change in the weight distribution would have the effect of notably changing if not eliminating prints/tracks but how far do you really think a man in a hairy suit could walk like that..it'd do your back in & the mask would probably drop over your eyes..it'd be hell. Definately not worth changing a tried & tested technique. E Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Road Less Traveled posted Fri, May 27 2005, 7:44pm  Hey Brad, you're most welcome. Just because I dog the BFRO and GCBRO sometimes doesn't mean I don't respect most of the stuff they do. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: King Wolf posted Sun, May 29 2005, 11:59pm  Brad I would like to see it too. Still, it seems to me that Patty would not be a succesful quadrupedal. If Bigfoot goes quadrupedal to move faster it would be safe to say that the quadrupedal mode is more efficient than the bipedal mode to them. If you recall apes they move mostly in all fours, then to have a better perspective of the surroundings, they stop, stand in their hind legs, and watch, and then, they move in all fours again. Maybe Bigfoot have longer arms than humans, but still I don't believe that are long enough to make them a quadrupedal creature, at least not an effective one. Besides, from the Patterson film, it is obvious that Patty didn't have any problem walking on her two hind legs. It seems to me that Bigfoot is a full time bipedal and not a part time bipedal/quadrupedal creature. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Onza posted Sat, May 28 2005, 5:49pm  I know I came into this too late, but that's an interesting idea. If Bigfoots are semi-quadrupedal, that would explain why Patty's upper body is so large and muscular. I have read critics complain that she is not proportioned correctly to be truly bipedal. Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: The seeker posted Sat, May 28 2005, 11:30pm  this may point toward a second hoax possiblity that this bigfoot was neither real nor a man in a suit but a well trained gorrila forced by some hoaxers to walk upright Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Arre posted Sun, May 29 2005, 4:09am  ;o Subject: Re: Patty goes quadrapedal From: Kraken one off posted Sun, May 29 2005, 12:40pm  Bigfoot mysteriously disappears in wooded areas? who's to say it doesnt become arboreal?

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